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WikiLeaks da conocer secretos diplomáticos de EEUU y sus aliados

El diario El País obtuvo los documentos diplomáticos que dará a conocer el sitio WikiLeaks que en este momento se encuentra caído por un ataque masivo de denegación de servicio (ddos).

Las revelaciones continuarán en el transcurso de la semana. Las primeras ponen en compromisos a algunos de sus principales aliados.

La mayor filtración de la historia deja al descubierto los secretos de la política exterior de EE UU · ELPAÍS.com
EL PAÍS desvela los documentos de Wikileaks.- Putin, autoritario y machista.- Las fiestas salvajes de Berlusconi.- Estrecho seguimiento de Sarkozy.- Los movimientos para bloquear a Irán.- El juego en torno a China.- Los esfuerzos para aislar a Chávez

Diplomáticos de EE UU reciben órdenes de espiar a la ONU · ELPAÍS.com

Espías en la Embajada de Berlín · ELPAÍS.com

Los árabes piden a EE UU frenar a Irán por cualquier medio · ELPAÍS.com

También el NYT ha recibido los documentos secreto http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29spy.html?hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/middleeast/29iran.html?hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/middleeast/29missiles.html?hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29editornote.html?hp
 
Hmm de momento lo que he visto no dice nada del otro mundo ni nada que no se sepa ya...
 
Un pequeño resumen de una parte de los cables que van en el leak, (OJO: no es veraz, es solo un resumen al suave de unos cuantos que se tomaron el tiempo de leer parte de los leaks, esta en ingles y viene de 4chan(aunque es obvio que nada de lo que sale ahí se tiene que tomar en serio, hay "demasiados threads sobre el contenido del mismo")).

Israel and Saudi Arabia plan to attack Iran if the U.S. does not initiate.

Paraguay is harboring terrorists and Iranians.

North Korea has been trading missiles with Iran.

The U.S. has been spying on almost all ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ their allies, ordered by Hillary Clinton, and collected DNA data, iris, fingerprints, credit card, and frequent flier information.

Pakistan has a reactor using enriched uranium.

Some guy in China hacked Google and government PCs because websites made fun ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ him.

U.S. failed to stop Syria from supporting Hezbollah who now has a massive stockpile ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ weapons.

Kim Jong-Il has epilepsy.

U.S. ambassadors called Putin "Alpha Male". Russia using mafia bosses to carry out criminal operations, reportedly the country is a "virtual mafia state".

Berlusconi (Italian Prime Minister) is best friends with Putin and his mouthpiece to Europe.

CIA failing to arrest people in Germany, U.S. warns Germany not to arrest the CIA members.

Obama doesn't care about Europe.

Latin America drug cartels backing terrorists.

Iran has had open battles with U.S. forces in the Middle East and has been using their variation ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Red Cross to sneak weapons across countries.

The Afghan vice president is a puppet.

War is likely to break out against Iran while the situation in North Korea is likely to be defused.

U.S., South Korea, and China have been in talks to "secretly" dismantle the North Korean government and reunify Korea.

Saudi King has forcibly been pressuring the U.S. to take action against Iran.

Old information I just found out: Wikileaks is in possession ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a file (that has been released) called "insurance", which is encrypted with AES, it has a 2^256 character password: military grade encryption. ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Julian Assange (guy who runs Wikileaks) and a few trusted, secret individuals know the password. In the event that Wikileaks is dismantled or Assange is killed, they will release this file, which supposedly has information that could wreck everybody's shit. Just thought you should know. Apparently it is "insurance" because it is the ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ thing keeping Wikileaks up and Assange alive.

THIS IS ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ PART ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ THE 219 DOCUMENTS OUT ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ THE OVER 200,000 WIKILEAKS WILL BE RELASING


Lo mas serio e importante en negrita y subrayado. Repito no es VERAZ y queda a la interpretación de cada uno.
 
También iban a dar a conocer secretos sobre el gobierno ruso, pero los amenazaron. Y cuando son los rusos es algo serio, recordar el espía que murió envenenado con una sustancia radiactiva en Inglaterra.

Además me pregunto de donde provendrán las filtraciones. Según El País al menos 3000 personas en EEUU tenían acceso a ese tipo de información.
 
También iban a dar a conocer secretos sobre el gobierno ruso, pero los amenazaron. Y cuando son los rusos es algo serio, recordar el espía que murió envenenado con una sustancia radiactiva en Inglaterra.

Además me pregunto de donde provendrán las filtraciones. Según El País al menos 3000 personas en EEUU tenían acceso a ese tipo de información.

Bueno si mencionan en parte de los leaks que la mafia esta involucrada en el gobierno ruso. Aunque igual es poca información la que se maneja de Rusia.

Con respecto a la filtración esta muy difícil encontrar la fuga pero lo que me llama mas la atención es el "seguro de vida" de Assange:

Old information I just found out: Wikileaks is in possession ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a file (that has been released) called "insurance", which is encrypted with AES, it has a 2^256 character password: military grade encryption. ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Julian Assange (guy who runs Wikileaks) and a few trusted, secret individuals know the password. In the event that Wikileaks is dismantled or Assange is killed, they will release this file, which supposedly has information that could wreck everybody's shit. Just thought you should know. Apparently it is "insurance" because it is the ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ thing keeping Wikileaks up and Assange alive.

Retomo con quote lo que puse ahora, respecto al password existen 2^256 combinaciones, no es que en realidad es de esa longitud, pero lo que lo hace mas difícil es que de esos 2^256, solo sirve uno. Ahora para que ese sea el insurance, cada quien se imaginara que clase de información debe de tener.
 
Ahí me encontré un cable relacionado con el golpe de estado Honduras, lo que me hace pensar que al rato se encuentre un cable sobre algún evento reciente que pueda haber afectado CR?.
En lo personal lo veo muy difícil y un poco risible por que aquí con costos nos vuelven a ver, con excepción en la situación del rio san juan pero eso es muy reciente.

Igual al momento el leak es de 220 archivos, faltan 250.000 mas por rebelar. Lo que si se podría encontrar y apuesto a lo seguro, es que va a salir una tonelada de información sobre las andadas de Chavez, y que esta haciendo USA para contrarrestarlo.

Cable Viewer Cable de Tegucigalpa.
 
Bueno si mencionan en parte de los leaks que la mafia esta involucrada en el gobierno ruso. Aunque igual es poca información la que se maneja de Rusia.

Con respecto a la filtración esta muy difícil encontrar la fuga pero lo que me llama mas la atención es el "seguro de vida" de Assange:



Retomo con quote lo que puse ahora, respecto al password existen 2^256 combinaciones, no es que en realidad es de esa longitud, pero lo que lo hace mas difícil es que de esos 2^256, solo sirve uno. Ahora para que ese sea el insurance, cada quien se imaginara que clase de información debe de tener.


Decía información que puede acabar con la mierda de todo , eso debe ser información definitivamente importante aunque a este mae lo van a matar primero antes de que muestre eso , en vez de enseñarlo de una vez y que todos sepamos la verdad. Me da a pensar 2 cosas : 1: El mae no tiene la citada información
2: La información sería imposible de asimilar para la sociedad si se muestra prematuramente por lo que el mae busca el momento oportuno...

PD: Ese mae está loco.
 
Interesantisimo y confirma muchas cosas que no los "conspiradores" sospechamos, pero dificiles de probar.

1. Todos los ataques de Al-Qaeda que decian tenian origen yemeni, era auto-ataques de los gringos.
The 9 Most Shocking WikiLeaks Secrets - Yahoo! News
1. Yemen Takes the Fall for U.S. Drones
Leaked documents reveal that Yemen has been covering up for the U.S in the fight against al Qaeda by saying publicly that attacks initiated by the State Department were directed by Yemen. “We’ll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours,” [COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]Yemeni [COLOR=#366388 ! important]President [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 ! important]Ali [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 ! important]Abdullah [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 ! important]Saleh[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] told General David Petraeus in January 2010. The coverup, made necessary by severe distrust ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the U.S. in the Middle East, prompted Yemen’s prime minister to joke about how the president had “lied” to his parliament about the strikes.



Es mas, yo creo que Al Qaeda no existe, es imposible que cualquier organizacion no estatal pueda coordinarse de tal manera, entre tantos paises, y mover los fondos monetarios.



En realidad, Al Qaeda, es el nombre generico que le pusieron los gringos a todas las diferentes facciones que por miles de razones se oponen a sus politicas imperialistas.



2. Intentaron sobornar paises para recibir a los presos de Guantanamo. (Recordemos que estos presos aun no han sido condenados ante ningun juez)
U.S. Offers Payouts in Exchange for Guantanamo Detainees
U.S. authorities were so anxious to resettle Guantanamo prisoners abroad that they were ready to strike any deal with a foreign country willing to take them. Officials offered Kiribati, a tiny island nation in the Pacific—population 98,000—millions ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ dollars in incentives to shelter Chinese Muslim detainees. They also bribed Slovenian officials to take an inmate in exchange for the chance to meet President Obama. Belgium, meanwhile, was told that taking Guantanamo prisoners would be a “low-cost way…to attain prominence in Europe.”



3 El Vicepresidente de Afganistan fue agarrado con $52 millones en efectivo, y lo dejaron irse.

Corrupt Afghan V.P. Caught With $52 Million in Cash
This must have weighed down his luggage: Officials working with the Drug Enforcement Agency in the United Arab Emirates last year discovered that Afghanistan’s visiting vice president, Ahmed Zia Massoud, had $52 million on him—in cash. Calling the bonanza a “significant amount,” the U.S. Embassy let him keep it “without revealing the money’s origin or destination.” Massoud denies funneling any cash out ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Afghanistan.



Recuerden que Hamid Karzai tambien fue encontrado recibiendo millones de dolares, y que Karzai es una marioneta puesta en Afganistan por el gobierno de Bush. Tambien que Karzai no es del agrado de Obama para nada.



Y finalmente que sospechan que Putin y Berlusconi se acuestan juntos. No, son varas, pero si que se ven bastante sospechosos. Yo me imagino mas bien unos fiestones.


“Feckless” Berlusconi Has “Shadowy” Ties to Putin
The cables are not very kind to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who is deemed “feckless, vain, and ineffective as a modern European leader” by Elizabeth Dibble, the U.S. envoy to Rome. Another leaked document details Berlusconi’s already known “frequent late nights and penchant for partying hard.” The reports also question the intimate relationship between Berlusconi and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who reportedly use a “shadowy” bilingual go-between and lavish each other with expensive gifts. Secretary Clinton asked her envoys in the two nations to report on any business dealings between the two, in addition to their chummy bromance.
 
Interesantisimo y confirma muchas cosas que no los "conspiradores" sospechamos, pero dificiles de probar.

1. Todos los ataques de Al-Qaeda que decian tenian origen yemeni, era auto-ataques de los gringos.

No entendió, no son "auto-ataques", sino ofensivas a Al Qaeda por parte de de los gringos.
 
Intentaron sobornar paises para recibir a los presos de Guantanamo.

Aqui el problema es que Obama en su propaganda electorera de "change", prometió algo que era imposible de cumplir, y que claro sonaba muy bonito: "Cerrar Guantánamo"

Una promesa electoral y entonces ante la presión, empezó a ver como hacía con esos presos, algunos iban a dar a ciudades gringas, las cuales estaban dispuestas a recibirlos a cambio de buena plata, asi mismo paises en el exterior lo harían.
 
No entendió, no son "auto-ataques", sino ofensivas a Al Qaeda por parte de de los gringos.

Tenes razon,
esta redaccion es mas feliz:

And the newspaper cited exchanges showing Yemen's president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, telling Gen. David Petraeus that his country would pretend that American missile strikes against a local al-Qaida group had come from Yemen's forces

Me disculpo por el error.
 
Cable del Embajador de Honduras Hugo Llorens sobre el Golpe a Zelaya

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TAGS: PGOV, KDEM, KJUS, TFH01, HO
SUBJECT: TFHO1: OPEN AND SHUT: THE CASE ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ THE HONDURAN COUP

REF: TEGUCIGALPA 578

Classified By: Ambassador Hugo Llorens, reasons 1.4 (b and d)

1. (C) Summary: Post has attempted to clarify some ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the
legal and constitutional issues surrounding the June 28
forced removal ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ President Manuel "Mel" Zelaya. The
Embassy perspective is that there is no doubt that the
military, Supreme Court and National Congress conspired
on June 28 in what constituted an illegal and
unconstitutional coup against the Executive Branch, while
accepting that there may be a prima facie case that Zelaya
may
have committed illegalities and may have even violated the
constitution. There is equally no doubt from our perspective
that Roberto Micheletti's assumption ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ power was
illegitimate. Nevertheless, it is also evident that the
constitution itself may be deficient in terms ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ providing
clear procedures for dealing with alleged illegal acts by
the President and resolving conflicts between the branches
************SPAM/BANNEAR************ government. End summary.

2. (U) Since the June 28 removal and expulsion ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ President
Zelaya by the Honduran armed forces, the Embassy has
consulted Honduran legal experts (one cannot find a fully
unbiased professional legal opinion in Honduras in the
current politically charged atmosphere) and reviewed the
text ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Honduran Constitution and its laws to develop a
better understanding ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the arguments being parlayed by the
coup's supporters and opponents.

-------------------------------
Arguments ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Coup Defenders
-------------------------------

3. (SBU) Defenders ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the June 28 coup have offered some
combination ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the following, often ambiguous, arguments to
assert it's legality:

-- Zelaya had broken the law (alleged but not proven);

-- Zelaya resigned (a clear fabrication);

-- Zelaya intended to extend his term in office
(supposition);

-- Had he been allowed to proceed with his June 28
constitutional reform opinion poll, Zelaya would have
dissolved Congress the following day and convened a
constituent assembly (supposition);

-- Zelaya had to be removed from the country to prevent a
bloodbath;

-- Congress "unanimously" (or in some versions by a 123-5
vote) deposed Zelaya; (after the fact and under the cloak
************SPAM/BANNEAR************ secrecy); and

-- Zelaya "automatically" ceased to be president the moment
he suggested modifying the constitutional prohibition on
presidential reelection.

4. (C) In our view, none ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the above arguments has any
substantive validity under the Honduran constitution. Some
are outright false. Others are mere supposition or ex-post
rationalizations ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a patently illegal act. Essentially:

-- the military had no authority to remove Zelaya from the
country;

-- Congress has no constitutional authority to remove a
Honduran president;

-- Congress and the judiciary removed Zelaya on the basis
************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a hasty, ad-hoc, extralegal, secret, 48-hour process;

-- the purported "resignation" letter was a fabrication and
was not even the basis for Congress's action ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ June 28;
and

-- Zelaya's arrest and forced removal from the country
violated multiple constitutional guarantees, including the
prohibition on expatriation, presumption ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ innocence and
right to due process.

-------------------------------------------
Impeachment under the Honduran Constitution
-------------------------------------------

5. (U) Under the Honduran Constitution as currently
written, the President may be removed ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ on the basis ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
death, resignation or incapacitation. ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Supreme
Court may determine that a President has been
"incapacitated" on the basis ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ committing a crime.

6. (U) There is no explicit impeachment procedure in the
1982 Honduran Constitution. Originally, Article 205-15
stated that Congress had the competence to determine
whether "cause" existed against the President, but it did
not stipulate on what grounds or under what procedure.
Article 319-2 stated that the Supreme Court would "hear"
cases ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ official or common crimes committed by high-level
officials, upon a finding ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ cause by the Congress. This
implied a vague two-step executive impeachment process
involving the other two branches ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ government, although
without specific criteria or procedures. However, Article
205 was abrogated in 2003, and the corresponding provision
************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Article 319 (renumbered 313) was revised to state ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
that the Supreme Court would hear "processes initiated"
against high officials. Thus, it appears that under the
Constitution as currently written, removal ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a president
or a government official is an entirely judicial matter.

7. (U) Respected legal opinion confirms that the removal ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
a president is a judicial matter. According to a 2006 book
by respected legal scholar Enrique Flores Valeriano -- late
father ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Zelaya's Minister ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Presidency, Enrique
Flores Lanza -- Article 112 ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Law ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Constitutional
Justice indicates that if any government official is found
to be in violation ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Constitution, that person should
be removed from office immediately with the ultimate
authority on matters ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Constitutionality being the Supreme
Court.

8. (U) Many legal experts have also confirmed to us that
the Honduran process for impeaching a President or other
senior-level officials is a judicial procedure. They
assert that under Honduran law the process consists ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ formal
criminal charges being filed by the Attorney General
against the accused with the Supreme Court. The Supreme
Court could accept or reject the charges. If the Court
moved to indict, it would assign a Supreme Court
magistrate, or a panel ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ magistrates to investigate the
matter,
and oversee the trial. The trial process is open and
transparent and the defendant would be given a full right
************SPAM/BANNEAR************ self-defense. If convicted in the impeachment trial,
the magistrates have authority to remove the President or
senior official. Once the President is removed, then the
constitutional succession would follow. In this case, if a
President is legally charged, convicted, and removed, his
successor is the Vice President or what is termed the
Presidential Designate. In the current situation in
Honduras, since the Vice President, Elvin Santos, resigned
last December in order to be able to run as the Liberal
Party Presidential candidate, President Zelaya's successor
would be Congress President Roberto Micheletti.
Unfortunately, the President was never tried, or
convicted, or was legally removed from office to allow a
legal succession.

-----------------------------
The Legal Case Against Zelaya
-----------------------------

9. (C) Zelaya's opponents allege that he violated the
Constitution on numerous grounds, some ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ which appear on
their face to be valid, others not:

-- Refusing to submit a budget to the Congress: The
Constitution is unambiguous that the Executive shall submit
a proposed budget to Congress by September 15 each year
(Art. 367), that Congress shall approve the budget (Art.
366) and that no obligations or payments may be effectuated
except on the basis ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ an approved budget (Art. 364);

-- Refusing to fund the Congress: Article 212 states that
the Treasury shall apportion quarterly the funds needed for
the operation ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Congress;

-- Proposing an illegal constitutional referendum: The
Constitution may be amended ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ through two-thirds vote ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
the Congress in two consecutive sessions (Art. 373 and
375); a constituent assembly to rewrite the constitution,
as Zelaya promoted, is therefore unconstitutional; however,
it is not clear that proposing a constituent assembly in
itself violates the constitution, ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ that any changes
ensuing from that assembly would be invalid;

-- Defying the judgment ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a competent court: Zelaya
insisted on pushing ahead with his constitutional reform
opinion poll after both a first-instance court and an
appeals court ordered him to suspend those efforts;
however, while he clearly intended to follow through with
the poll, he never actually did it;

-- Proposing to reform unreformable articles: Since
Zelaya's proposed constituent assembly would have unlimited
powers to rewrite the constitution, it violated Article
374, which makes certain articles unamendable; once again,
though, Zelaya never actually attempted to change the
so-called "carved in stone" articles; it was ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ assumed
he intended to;

-- Dismissing the armed forces chief: The Supreme Court's
Constitutional Hall ruled June 25 that Zelaya was in
violation ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Constitution for dismissing Defense Chief
Vasquez Velasquez; the Constitution (Art. 280) states that
the President may freely name or remove the chief ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the
armed forces; but the court ruled that since Zelaya fired
him for refusing to carry out a poll the court had ruled
illegal, the firing was illegal.

10. (C) Although a case could well have been made against
Zelaya for a number ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the above alleged constitutional
violations, there was never any formal, public weighing ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
the evidence nor any semblance ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ due process.

-----------------------
The Article 239 Cannard
-----------------------

11. (U) Article 239, which coup supporters began citing
after the fact to justify Zelaya's removal (it is nowhere
mentioned in the voluminous judicial dossier against
Zelaya), states that any official proposing to reform the
constitutional prohibition against reelection ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the
president shall immediately cease to carry out their
functions and be ineligible to hold public office for 10
years. Coup defenders have asserted that Zelaya therefore
automatically ceased to be President when he proposed a
constituent assembly to rewrite the Constitution.

12. (C) Post's analysis indicates the Article 239 argument
is flawed on multiple grounds:

-- Although it was widely assumed that Zelaya's reason for
seeking to convoke a constituent assembly was to amend the
constitution to allow for reelection, we are not aware
that he ever actually stated so publicly;

-- Article 239 does not stipulate who determines whether it
has been violated or how, but it is reasonable to assume
that it does not abrogate other guarantees ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ due process
and the presumption ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ innocence;

-- Article 94 states that no penalty shall be imposed
without the accused having been heard and found guilty in a
competent court;

-- Many other Honduran officials, including presidents,
going back to the first elected government under the 1982
Constitution, have proposed allowing presidential
reelection, and they were never deemed to have been
automatically removed from their positions as a result.

13. (C) It further warrants mention that Micheletti himself
should be forced to resign following the logic ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the 239
argument, since as President ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Congress he considered
legislation to have a fourth ballot box ("cuarta urna") at
the November elections to seek voter approval for a
constituent assembly to rewrite the constitution. Any
member ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Congress who discussed the proposal should also
be required to resign, and National Party presidential
candidate Pepe Lobo, who endorsed the idea, should be
ineligible to hold public office for 10 years.

--------------------------------------------- -
Forced Removal by Military was Clearly Illegal
--------------------------------------------- -

14. (C) Regardless ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the merits ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Zelaya's alleged
constitutional violations, it is clear from even a cursory
reading that his removal by military means was illegal, and
even the most zealous ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ coup defenders have been unable to
make convincing arguments to bridge the intellectual gulf
between "Zelaya broke the law" to "therefore, he was packed
off to Costa Rica by the military without a trial."

-- Although coup supporters allege the court issued an
arrest warrant for Zelaya for disobeying its order to
desist from the opinion poll, the warrant, made public days
later, was for him to be arrested and brought before the
competent authority, not removed from the county;

-- Even if the court had ordered Zelaya to be removed from
the country, that order would have been unconstitutional;
Article 81 states that all Hondurans have the right to
remain in the national territory, subject to certain narrow
exceptions spelled out in Article 187, which may be invoked
************SPAM/BANNEAR************ by the President ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Republic with the agreement ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
the Council ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Ministers; Article 102 states that no
Honduran may be expatriated;

-- The armed forces have no/no competency to execute
judicial orders; originally, Article 272 said the armed
forces had the responsibility to "maintain peace, public
order and the 'dominion' ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the constitution," but that
language was excised in 1998; under the current text, ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
the police are authorized to uphold the law and execute
court orders (Art. 293);

-- Accounts ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Zelaya's abduction by the military indicate
he was never legally "served" with a warrant; the soldiers
forced their way in by shooting out the locks and
essentially kidnapped the President.

15. (U) The Armed Forces' ranking legal advisor, Col.
Herberth Bayardo Inestroza, acknowledged in an interview
published in the Honduran press July 5 that the Honduran
Armed Forces had broken the law in removing Zelaya from the
country. That same day it was reported that the Public
Ministry was investigating the actions ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Armed Forces
in arresting and deporting Zelaya June 28 and that the
Supreme Court had asked the Armed Forces to explain the
circumstances that motivated his forcible exile.

16. (C) As reported reftel, the legal adviser to the
Supreme Court told Poloff that at least some justices on
the Court consider Zelaya's arrest and deportation by the
military to have been illegal.

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Congress Had no Authority to Remove Zelaya
------------------------------------------

17. (C) As explained above, the Constitution as amended in
2003 apparently gives sole authority for removing a
president to the judiciary. The Congressional action ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
June 28 has been reported in some media as acceptance ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
Zelaya's resignation, based on a bogus resignation letter
dated June 25 that surfaced after the coup. However, the
June 28 Congressional resolution makes no mention ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the
letter, nor does it state that Congress was accepting
Zelaya's resignation. It says Congress "disapproves" ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
Zelaya's conduct and therefore "separates" him from the
office ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ President -- a constitutional authority Congress
does not have. Furthermore, a source in the Congressional
leadership told us that a quorum was not present when the
resolution was adopted, rendering it invalid. There was no
recorded vote, nor a request for the "yeas" and "nays."

18. (C) In sum, for a constitutional succession from Zelaya
to Micheletti to occur would require one ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ several
conditions:

Zelaya's resignation, his death, or permanent medical
incapacitation (as determined by judicial and medical
authorities), or as discussed previously, his formal criminal
conviction and removal from office. In the absence ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ any ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
these conditions and since Congress lacked the legal
authority to remove Zelaya, the actions ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ June 28 can ************SPAM/BANNEAR************
be considered a coup d'etat by the legislative branch, with
the support ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the judicial branch and the military, against
the executive branch. It bears mentioning that, whereas the
resolution adopted June 28 refers ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ to Zelaya, its effect
was to remove the entire executive branch. Both ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ these
actions clearly exceeded Congress's authority.

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Comment
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19. (C) The analysis ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Constitution sheds some
interesting light on the events ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ June 28. The Honduran
establishment confronted a dilemma: near unanimity among
the institutions ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the state and the political class that
Zelaya had abused his powers in violation ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the
Constitution, but with some ambiguity what to do about it.
Faced with that lack ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ clarity, the military and/or
whoever ordered the coup fell back on what they knew -- the
way Honduran presidents were removed in the past: a bogus
resignation letter and a one-way ticket to a neighboring
country. No matter what the merits ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the case against
Zelaya, his forced removal by the military was clearly
illegal, and Micheletti's ascendance as "interim president"
was totally illegitimate.

20. (C) Nonetheless, the very Constitutional uncertainty
that presented the political class with this dilemma may
provide the seeds for a solution. The coup's most ardent
legal defenders have been unable to make the intellectual
leap from their arguments regarding Zelaya's alleged crimes
to how those allegations justified dragging him out ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his
bed in the night and flying him to Costa Rica. That the
Attorney General's office and the Supreme Court now
reportedly question the legality ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ that final step is
encouraging and may provide a face-saving "out" for the two
opposing sides in the current standoff. End Comment.
LLORENS
 
Mas bien en ese correo sobre Honduras se ve que no era cierto que el Embajador gringo hubuera participado en la planeacion del "golpe" como sostiene la propaganda chavista.
 
Concuerdo totalmente con eso.

Tambien desnuda todas las excusas de Micheletti para haberse hecho del poder ilegitimamente.

Lo que sorprende es la pasividad de EEUU posterior a este informe de no haber defendido la democracia.

Por dicha, ya eso es historia, pero recuerdo las tonteras que ponian los defensores de Micheletti al respecto.
 
No porque eso es un simple criterio del Embajador sobre lo ocurrido, tiempo despues se realizó un analisis juridico por parte del Congreso y se vio que no era un "golpe" tal y como se dijo al principio.

Lo destacable aqui es precisamente que el Embajador no apoyaba ni colaboró con los "golpistas".
 
"The UK is ham-strung
by its colonial past and domestic politics, thus, letting them
set the pace alone merely limits our effectiveness. The EU is
divided between the hard north and its soft southern
underbelly. The Africans are ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ now beginning to find
their voice. Rock solid partners like Australia donQt
pack enough punch to step out front and the UN is a
non-player. Thus it falls to the U.S., once again, to take
the lead, to say and do the hard things and to set the agenda."

Este parrafo del Embajador Christopher Dell sobre asuntos de Zimbabwe, les da duro a todos los aliados historicos.

"El Reino Unido esta amarrado por su pasado colonial y su politica domestica, asi que dejarles marcar el paso, unicamente limita nuestra efectividad. La Union Europea esta dividida entre el Norte duro y su suave faja sureña. Los Africanos estan ahora empezando a encontrar su voz. Socios solidos como roca, tales como Australia no tienen suficiente fuerza para tomar la iniciativa y las Naciones Unidas no juega a nada. Asi, que recae nuevamente en los Estados Unidos, tomar el liderazgo y decir y hacer las cosas dificiles y establecer la agenda"


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