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El "Anticristo" en CR... gente mas babosa

maytinki dijo:
:-? el tema del post acaso era:

El "Anticristo" en CR... gente mas babosa


pues si, post y respuesta en una.
por ahi dije que una forma muy rápida de enriquecer es inventarse una secta, y entre más aparatosa y polémica más brutos babosos se la creen...

el tipejo ese es un vivazo más, carismático y sinverguenza, pero el cabrón ya tiene $, eso era lo que quería...o no?


Diay si , ese es el propósito de toda secta , llenarse de plata a costa de crédulos que las sigan , pero creo que la discusión tomó caminos sinuosos , con el resultado de que mi amigo Bill y yo y algunos otros nos hemos enfrascado en una "enredadera verborrágica" , que no nos conduce a ningún lado ( pero que de todos modos está divertida ) y todo por culpa de este animal que se dice Cristo y Anticristo , que se decida el imbécil este .
 
Jag Lake dijo:
BILL1283 dijo:
[quote="Jag Lake":4lps1orx]
BILL1283 dijo:
NO DE CUAL JACOB HABLAS TU???

Eso quiere decir que no te has leido el Genesis...

LEER LO QUE DICE EL ULTIMO CAPITULO DEL GENESIS NO SIGNIFICA QUE SE LO QUE DICE.


A bueno , entonces estamos igual , creí que entendias el genesis y por eso me estabas debatiendo.[/quote:4lps1orx]
NO JAG, SI ENTIENDO MUCHO OJO NO TODO PORQUE EL GENESIS NO SOLO ES UN LIBRO DE HISTORIAS FANTASTICAS Y POCO CREIBLES COMO LO DICES TU.... ES TAMBIEN UN LIBRO QUE CONTIENE PROFECIAS, ES MUY EXTENSO EN INFORMACION DE HECHO....

A LO QUE VOY AL CHILE MAE NO ENTIENDO EN QUE CREES.
CREES QUE LA BIBLIA ES PAJA SOLO PORQUE LO CREES....
PERO CREES EN LA BELLEZA DE UN DIOS INTERNO.....

SALUDOS MAES
 
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El q guste puede buscar las citas en su Biblia personal para q vean q la Biblia es sexista, inhumana y discriminadora



What follows is a sample ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ these great, just, and moral laws. Remember, Christians, according to the Bible you should look at these laws and say "surely this is a just and wise nation!" and teach others to follow them.




SLAVERY

Exodus 21:20-21 – "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."


Colossians 3:22-24 – "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ heart and reverence for the Lord. Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving."


Ephesians 6:5 - "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ heart, just as you would obey Christ."


1 Peter 2:13 - "Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority."


1 Peter 2:18 - "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."


1 Timothy 6:1 - "1 All who are under the yoke ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ slavery should consider their masters worthy ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered."

Some Christians claim that Biblical slaves are supposed to be released after six years, and therefore Biblical slavery is more just than our modern conception ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ slavery. This is not the case. The passage in question, Exodus 21:1-4, ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ refers to freeing Hebrew slaves. Foreign slaves are forever your property, to be passed down to your children (in contrast to Israelite slaves):


Leviticus 25:44-46 – Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the temporary residents living among you and members ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Most troubling, God not ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ condones slavery, he COMMANDS you to enslave people who you conquer in the course ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ normal, non-holy warfare:


Deuteronomy 20:10-15 – When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.





WOMEN (See also Why is God so sexist?)

In the ancient near east, women were considered the property ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ men. A daughter belonged to her father, until she was engaged to be married. At this point, the groom paid the girl's father a "brideprice"—usually slightly more than the cost ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a slave—and in exchange, she became his property. Since daughters couldn't work or fight, they were considered less valuable than men, and so in practice the idea ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a "brideprice," barbaric as it was, probably reduced the number ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ infanticides—it was common for parents to leave unwanted children (usually girls) out in the wilderness to die ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ exposure.

As one would expect from a book written by bronze-age Mesopotamian nomads, the Bible has the exact same view ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ women-as-property as the Code ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Hammurabi and other near-eastern myths and legal codes. Adultery is conceived as a property crime and, like thievery, is punished by death:



Leviticus 20:10 - 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

If a man suspects his wife ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ adultery, he can force her to undertake a "trial by fire" where she drinks a magic potion that makes her barren if she is guilty. This is similar to the "trial by water" in the Code ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Hammurabi where suspected adulteresses are thrown into a river to see if they float. (Note that there is no such test for men suspected ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ adultery, ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ women.)


Numbers 5:11-31 - " 11 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him by sleeping with another man, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), and if feelings ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure- then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a tenth ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ an ephah ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder offering to draw attention to guilt. 'The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, 'If no other man has slept with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have defiled yourself by sleeping with a man other than your husband' here the priest is to put the woman under this curse ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the oath-'may the LORD cause your people to curse and denounce you when he causes your thigh to waste away and your abdomen to swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells and your thigh wastes away.' Then the woman is to say, 'Amen. So be it.' The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. He shall have the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water will enter her and cause bitter suffering. The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar. The priest is then to take a handful ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; her abdomen will swell and her thigh waste away, and she will become accursed among her people. If, however, the woman has not defiled herself and is free from impurity, she will be cleared ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ guilt and will be able to have children. This, then, is the law ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ jealousy when a woman goes astray and defiles herself while married to her husband, or when feelings ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the LORD and is to apply this entire law to her. The husband will be innocent ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ her sin."

Virgins fetched a higher brideprice than non-virgins. As such, if a newlywed "misrepresents" her virginity—by failing to prove she is a virgin on her wedding night—God says she should be stoned to death on the doorstep ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ her father's house. (Note: no such law is found in the Code ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Hammurabi.)


Deuteronomy 22:13-21 – If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ her virginity," then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ silver a and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives. If, however, the charge is true and no proof ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ her father's house and there the men ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Rape is not punishable as a crime in the Bible. If a man rapes a married or betrothed woman, he is punished for the crime ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ adultery. If the victim fails to cry out loudly enough while she is raped, it is assumed that she is accomplice to adultery and she is killed as well.


Deuteronomy 22:23-27 - If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ them to the gate ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you. But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

If a man rapes a virgin who is not betrothed—that is, who does not belong to another man—there is no punishment. The rapist pays his victim's father the brideprice and marries her. He cannot divorce her (apparently God thought this was for the girl's benefit). Again, rape is not punished at all: this law essentially states, "you break it, you buy it."


Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Note that the 50 shekels the rapist pays for his victim's brideprice is half ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ what a man must pay to a woman's father if he unjustly slanders her virginity, per Deuteronomy 22:15. God felt that sullying a father's honor by accusing his daughter ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ having unmarried sex is worth twice as much monetary compensation as raping his daughter. Speaking ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ monetary values, God also makes it explicit that women are worth a little more than half as much as men:


Leviticus 27:2-7 - If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate persons to the LORD by giving equivalent values, set the value ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a male between the ages ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ twenty and sixty at fifty shekels ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ silver, according to the sanctuary shekel; and if it is a female, set her value at thirty shekels. If it is a person between the ages ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ five and twenty, set the value ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a male at twenty shekels and ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a female at ten shekels. If it is a person between one month and five years, set the value ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a male at five shekels ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ silver and that ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a female at three shekels ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ silver. If it is a person sixty years old or more, set the value ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a male at fifteen shekels and ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a female at ten shekels.

It should come as no surprise that women are considered so worthless from a legal perspective, as the theology ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ both the Old and New Testament supports their inherent worthlessness.


Genesis 3:16 - "To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.""


Genesis 19:4-8- "4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the city ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.' Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, 'No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ my roof.'"


1 Timothy 2:11-12 – "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."


Matthew 25:1 - "At that time the kingdom ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom."


1 Corinthians 11:3-10 - "Now I want you to realize that the head ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ every man is Christ, and the head ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the woman is man, and the head ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head,a since he is the image and glory ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ God; but the woman is the glory ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the angels, the woman ought to have a sign ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ authority on her head."


1 Corinthians 14:33-35 - "For God is not a God ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ disorder but ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ peace. As in all the congregations ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."






GOD DEMANDING MURDER


Exodus 35:2 – " For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."


Deuteronomy 21:18-21 – "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ him and bring him to the elders at the gate ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ it and be afraid."


Leviticus 20:13 – "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."


Deuteronomy 25:11-12 – "If two men are fighting and the wife ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ one ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity."


Deuteronomy 20:10-16 – "When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. However, in the cities ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."


Isaiah 13:13-16 – "Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the LORD Almighty, in the day ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his burning anger. Like a hunted gazelle, like sheep without a shepherd, each will return to his own people, each will flee to his native land. Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished."


Numbers 31:14-18 – "Moses was angry with the officers ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the army—the commanders ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ thousands and commanders ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ hundreds—who returned from the battle. "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."


1 Chronicles 21 1:15 - Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Israel. So David said to Joab and the commanders ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the troops, "Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan. Then report back to me so that I may know how many there are." But Joab replied, "May the LORD multiply his troops a hundred times over. My lord the king, are they not all my lord's subjects? Why does my lord want to do this? Why should he bring guilt on Israel?" The king's word, however, overruled Joab; so Joab left and went throughout Israel and then came back to Jerusalem. Joab reported the number ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the fighting men to David: In all Israel there were one million one hundred thousand men who could handle a sword, including four hundred and seventy thousand in Judah. But Joab did not include Levi and Benjamin in the numbering, because the king's command was repulsive to him. This command was also evil in the sight ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ God; so he punished Israel. Then David said to God, "I have sinned greatly by doing this. Now, I beg you, take away the guilt ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ your servant. I have done a very foolish thing." The LORD said to Gad, David's seer, "Go and tell David, 'This is what the LORD says: I am giving you three options. Choose one ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ them for me to carry out against you.' " So Gad went to David and said to him, "This is what the LORD says: 'Take your choice: three years ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ famine, three months ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the sword ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the LORD -days ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ plague in the land, with the angel ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the LORD ravaging every part ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Israel.' Now then, decide how I should answer the one who sent me." David said to Gad, "I am in deep distress. Let me fall into the hands ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the LORD, for his mercy is very great; but do not let me fall into the hands ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ men." So the LORD sent a plague on Israel, and seventy thousand men ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Israel fell dead. And God sent an angel to destroy Jerusalem. But as the angel was doing so, the LORD saw it and was grieved because ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the calamity and said to the angel who was destroying the people, "Enough! Withdraw your hand." The angel ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the LORD was then standing at the threshing floor ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Araunah the Jebusite.





ABSURD

The following verse is absurd because it shows God hates handicapped people:


Leviticus 21:17-24 - "Say to Aaron: 'For the generations to come none ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. No descendant ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his God. He may eat the most holy food ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his God, as well as the holy food; yet because ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy.' " So Moses told this to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites.

The following verse is absurd because it shows that God is the willful author ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a massive, world-wide Holocaust:


Genesis 6:6-7 - "The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.""

The following verse is absurd because Jesus tells us that we must hate everyone if we want to follow him:


Luke 14:26 – " If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple."

The following passage is absurd because it shows God doesn't understand genetics:


Genesis 30:37-39 - "Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the branches. Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink, they mated in front ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted."






KILLING CHILDREN (See also Why does God massacre millions ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ children?)


Exodus 12:28-30 - "The Israelites did just what the LORD commanded Moses and Aaron. At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead."


Isaiah 13:15-18 - "Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished. See, I will stir up against them the Medes, who do not care for silver and have no delight in gold. Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants nor will they look with compassion on children."


Jeremiah 49:20-21 - " Therefore, hear what the LORD has planned against Edom, what he has purposed against those who live in Teman: The young ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the flock will be dragged away; he will completely destroy their pasture because ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ them. At the sound ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ their fall the earth will tremble; their cry will resound to the Red Sea."


Hosea 13:16 - "The people ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."


Deuteronomy 3:1-7 - "Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Bashan with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. 2 The LORD said to me, "Do not be afraid ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ him, for I have handed him over to you with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon." 3 So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors. 4 At that time we took all his cities. There was not one ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the sixty cities that we did not take from them—the whole region ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many unwalled villages. 6 We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children. 7 But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves." (They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at God's request.)






KILLING, TORTURING NON-BELIEVERS

The Bible is clear — people who do not believe in God and Jesus are to be killed and/or tortured:


Deuteronomy 17:2-5 - "If a man or woman living among you in one ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the LORD your God in violation ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the sky, and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death."


Deuteronomy 17:12 - "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the judge or ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the priest who represents the Lord your God must die. In this way you will purge the evil from Israel."


2 Chronicles 15:12-13 - "They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ their fathers, with all their heart and soul. All who would not seek the LORD, the God ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."


Deuteronomy 13:12-19 - "If you hear it said about one ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, a both its people and its livestock. Gather all the plunder ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the town into the middle ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt. None ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ those condemned things b shall be found in your hands, so that the LORD will turn from his fierce anger; he will show you mercy, have compassion on you, and increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your forefathers, because you obey the LORD your God, keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes."


Deuteronomy 13:6-11 - "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Egypt, out ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the land ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again."


Leviticus 24:13-16 - "Then the LORD said to Moses: "Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. Say to the Israelites: 'If anyone curses his God, he will be held responsible; anyone who blasphemes the name ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death."


Exodus 22:20 - "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed."


1 Corinthians 16:22 - "If anyone does not love the Lord—a curse be on him."


Mark 16:14-16 - "Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen. He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."


Revelation 9:1-6 - "The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ scorpions ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the earth. They were told not to harm the grass ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the earth or any plant or tree, but ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ those people who did not have the seal ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ God on their foreheads. They were not given power to kill them, but ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the sting ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ a scorpion when it strikes a man. During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them."


Revelation 21:1-8 - "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true." He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the water ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ burning sulfur. This is the second death." "





DISGUSTING


1 Samuel 18:25-27 - "Saul replied, "Say to David, 'The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.' " Saul's plan was to have David fall by the hands ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the Philistines. When the attendants told David these things, he was pleased to become the king's son-in-law. So before the allotted time elapsed, David and his men went out and killed two hundred Philistines. He brought their foreskins and presented the full number to the king so that he might become the king's son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage."


Ezekiel 23:11-21 - "Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet in her lust and prostitution she was more depraved than her sister. She too lusted after the Assyrians—governors and commanders, warriors in full dress, mounted horsemen, all handsome young men. I saw that she too defiled herself; both ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ them went the same way. But she carried her prostitution still further. She saw men portrayed on a wall, figures ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Chaldeans a portrayed in red, with belts around their waists and flowing turbans on their heads; all ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ them looked like Babylonian chariot officers, natives ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Chaldea. b As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ love, and in their lust they defiled her. After she had been defiled by them, she turned away from them in disgust. When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her nakedness, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister. Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ donkeys and whose emission was like that ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ horses. So you longed for the lewdness ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled."


Judges 3:15-23 - "Again the Israelites cried out to the LORD, and he gave them a deliverer—Ehud, a left-handed man, the son ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Gera the Benjamite. The Israelites sent him with tribute to Eglon king ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Moab. Now Ehud had made a double-edged sword about a foot and a half long, which he strapped to his right thigh under his clothing. He presented the tribute to Eglon king ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Moab, who was a very fat man. After Ehud had presented the tribute, he sent on their way the men who had carried it. At the idols near Gilgal he himself turned back and said, "I have a secret message for you, O king." The king said, "Quiet!" And all his attendants left him. Ehud then approached him while he was sitting alone in the upper room ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ his summer palace and said, "I have a message from God for you." As the king rose from his seat, Ehud reached with his left hand, drew the sword from his right thigh and plunged it into the king's belly. Even the handle sank in after the blade, which came out his back. Ehud did not pull the sword out, and the fat closed in over it. Then Ehud went out to the porch ; he shut the doors ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the upper room behind him and locked them."


Judges 4:21 - "But Jael, Heber's wife, picked up a tent peg and a hammer and went quietly to him while he lay fast asleep, exhausted. She drove the peg through his temple into the ground, and he died."


Psalm 58:10 - The righteous will be glad when they are avenged, when they bathe their feet in the blood ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the wicked.


Genesis 19:30-36 - "Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father." That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ it when she lay down or when she got up. The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ it when she lay down or when she got up. So both ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father."


Judges 19:25-30 - "But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Israel. Everyone who saw it said, "Such a thing has never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Egypt. Think about it! Consider it! Tell us what to do!""


Joshua 10:22-26 - "Joshua said, "Open the mouth ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the cave and bring those five kings out to me." So they brought the five kings out ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the cave—the kings ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Jerusalem, Hebron, Jarmuth, Lachish and Eglon. When they had brought these kings to Joshua, he summoned all the men ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Israel and said to the army commanders who had come with him, "Come here and put your feet on the necks ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ these kings." So they came forward and placed their feet on their necks. Joshua said to them, "Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged. Be strong and courageous. This is what the LORD will do to all the enemies you are going to fight." Then Joshua struck and killed the kings and hung them on five trees, and they were left hanging on the trees until evening."


Matthew 5:29-30 - "If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ your body than for your whole body to go into hell."


2 Chronicles 21:18-19 - "After all this, the LORD afflicted Jehoram with an incurable disease ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the bowels. In the course ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ time, at the end ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the second year, his bowels came out because ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the disease, and he died in great pain. His people made no fire in his honor, as they had for his fathers."


2 Kings 9:33-35 - "Throw her down!" Jehu said. So they threw her down, and some ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ her blood spattered the wall and the horses as they trampled her underfoot. Jehu went in and ate and drank. "Take care ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ that cursed woman," he said, "and bury her, for she was a king's daughter." But when they went out to bury her, they found nothing except her skull, her feet and her hands."


Numbers 25:1-9 - "While Israel was staying in Shittim, the men began to indulge in sexual immorality with Moabite women, who invited them to the sacrifices to their gods. The people ate and bowed down before these gods. So Israel joined in worshiping the Baal ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Peor. And the LORD's anger burned against them. The LORD said to Moses, "Take all the leaders ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ these people, kill them and expose them in broad daylight before the LORD, so that the LORD's fierce anger may turn away from Israel." So Moses said to Israel's judges, "Each ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ you must put to death those ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ your men who have joined in worshiping the Baal ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Peor." Then an Israelite man brought to his family a Midianite woman right before the eyes ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Moses and the whole assembly ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Israel while they were weeping at the entrance to the Tent ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Meeting. When Phinehas son ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Eleazar, the son ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Aaron, the priest, saw this, he left the assembly, took a spear in his hand and followed the Israelite into the tent. He drove the spear through both ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ them—through the Israelite and into the woman's body. Then the plague against the Israelites was stopped; but those who died in the plague numbered 24,000."


Judges 9:51-54 - "Inside the city, however, was a strong tower, to which all the men and women—all the people ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ the city—fled. They locked themselves in and climbed up on the tower roof. Abimelech went to the tower and stormed it. But as he approached the entrance to the tower to set it on fire, a woman dropped an upper millstone on his head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, "Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can't say, 'A woman killed him.' " So his servant ran him through, and he died."


Psalms 137:8-9 - O Daughter ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.


Genesis 38:8-10 - "Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother." But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so he put him to death also."
 
BILL1283 dijo:
Jag Lake dijo:
BILL1283 dijo:
[quote="Jag Lake":1mhkwezn]
BILL1283 dijo:
NO DE CUAL JACOB HABLAS TU???

Eso quiere decir que no te has leido el Genesis...

LEER LO QUE DICE EL ULTIMO CAPITULO DEL GENESIS NO SIGNIFICA QUE SE LO QUE DICE.


A bueno , entonces estamos igual , creí que entendias el genesis y por eso me estabas debatiendo.
NO JAG, SI ENTIENDO MUCHO OJO NO TODO PORQUE EL GENESIS NO SOLO ES UN LIBRO DE HISTORIAS FANTASTICAS Y POCO CREIBLES COMO LO DICES TU.... ES TAMBIEN UN LIBRO QUE CONTIENE PROFECIAS, ES MUY EXTENSO EN INFORMACION DE HECHO....

A LO QUE VOY AL CHILE MAE NO ENTIENDO EN QUE CREES.
CREES QUE LA BIBLIA ES PAJA SOLO PORQUE LO CREES....
PERO CREES EN LA BELLEZA DE UN DIOS INTERNO.....

SALUDOS MAES[/quote:1mhkwezn]

Mae Bill , la verdad es que no creo en nada que no me beneficie , y peladamente , que no me beneficie económicamente :-o :-o :-o , en serio , pero yo las cosas las veo friamente , solo logro ver lo fisico , la biblia para mi es un libro de los que se han impreso millones de millones de copias , hechas en imprentas y punto. lo que diga es tinta comun y silvestre , perdon por eso , y en cuanto a la belleza de un dios interior , me gusta mas : la belleza de un ser humano libre ....y ya me tengo que ir , dieron la tarde libre , el lunes continuamos , si tu quieres , y si yo quiero ,

suerte, mae .
 
JAG:
ESOS TEXTOS SON LOS MISMOS DE LA PAGINA QUE PASASTE AL PRINCIPIO DEL POST TE ACUERDAS QUE HABLABA DE UN DIOS MACHISTA Y TRAIA FOTOS Y TODO.......
TE EXPLICO PORQUE DIJISTE QUE DE INGLES NO SABES
DISCULPA POR SI ERAN VARAS
PUES SON LOS MISMOS VERSICULOS Y LOS MISMOS COMENTARIOS

QUE VACILON
 
Mae bill, ud q es mas docto q yo en estas cuestiones d la biblia, he escuchado algo sobre el viejo pacto y el nuevo pacto, q tengo entendido q son los testamentos correspondientes, pero me pareció escuchar también, q esos pactos eran algo asi q las leyes q nos regían a nosotros eran las del nuevo pacto, y las del viejo eran únicamente para el antiguo Israel, si tiene a bien iluminarme con su conocimiento bíblico y explicarme como diantres es esa vara, o si estoy miando fuera del tarro
 
Vamos a ver conrespecto a la Biblia. La biblia es un grupo de textos que fueron escogidos(otros desechados) en el Concilio de Nicea. En este concilio lo que se hizo fué conciliar a las tres ramas más fuertes del critianismo con tal de que el Imperio Romano no se dividiera. Así que la Biblia no fué 100% escrita por Dios y si lo fué, fué macheteada por Constantino para su provecho 8)
 
Pilon dijo:
Vamos a ver conrespecto a la Biblia. La biblia es un grupo de textos que fueron escogidos(otros desechados) en el Concilio de Nicea. En este concilio lo que se hizo fué conciliar a las tres ramas más fuertes del critianismo con tal de que el Imperio Romano no se dividiera. Así que la Biblia no fué 100% escrita por Dios y si lo fué, fué macheteada por Constantino para su provecho 8)
BIEN PILON QUE DICHA QUE LO DICES.....
LA IGLESIA LLEGO AL IMPERIO ROMANO, PERO COMO LOS ROMANOS NO ACEPTABAN LO QUE PASO CON JESUCRISTO.
Y CONSTANTINO SI, LO QUE HIZO FUE UNIR A LA IGLESIA CON EL ESTADO, TE ESTOY HABLANDO QUE ESO PASO 2OO AÑOS DE QUE MURIO EL ULTIMO APOSTOL QUE FUE JUAN....ENTONCES LO QUE TUVO QUE HACER FUE ADOPTAR CONSTUMBRES DE LO QUE CREIA EL ROMANO.... HE INSERTARLA A LA IGLESIA QUE HOY CONOCEMOS COMO LA CATOLICA DE HECHO POR ESO SE LLAMA ICAR IGLESIA CATOLICA APOSTOLICA Y ROMANA, CUESTINES COMO INTERSECION DE MUERTOS, MUJER IGUAL QUE DIOS, ETC. PERO POR CUESTION DE HOMBRES NO BIBLICOS EN NINGUN LADO DE LA BIBLIA LO DICE....
A LA BIBLIA NO LE QUITARON NINGUN LIBRO PORQUE SE LES ANTOJO...HAY EVANGELIOS(QUE LA PALABRA EVANGELIO SIGNIFICA: BUENA NUEVA)QUE NO FUERON INSPIRADOS POR DIOS, DE HECHO HAY MAS ESCRITOS QUE HABLAN DE LA VIDA DE JESUS, NO SOLO DE LOS JUDIOS HAY TAMBIEN TEXTOS COMO DE LOS ROMANOS....PERO NO FUERON INSPIRADOS POR DIOS.
 
Lo cuál nos lleva a la pregunta.
¿Dios estaba con Constantino?
¿Quién fué el que escogió cuáles libros estaban inspirados por Dios y cuáles no?
 
Janitor dijo:
Mae bill, ud q es mas docto q yo en estas cuestiones d la biblia, he escuchado algo sobre el viejo pacto y el nuevo pacto, q tengo entendido q son los testamentos correspondientes, pero me pareció escuchar también, q esos pactos eran algo asi q las leyes q nos regían a nosotros eran las del nuevo pacto, y las del viejo eran únicamente para el antiguo Israel, si tiene a bien iluminarme con su conocimiento bíblico y explicarme como diantres es esa vara, o si estoy miando fuera del tarro
VOY A TRATAR DE DARME A ENTENDER
EL ANTIGUO TESTAMENTO, ES EL QUE TRAE LAS LEYES QUE SE LES DIO A LOS JUDIOS, PERO NO SOLO A ELLOS, SINO A USTED Y A MI Y A TODO SER HUMANO, LA CUAL LLAMAMOS LOS 10 MANDAMIENTOS,
EXODO
20:1 Y habló Dios todas estas palabras, diciendo:
20:2 Yo soy Jehová tu Dios, que te saqué de la tierra de Egipto, de casa de servidumbre.
20:3 No tendrás dioses ajenos delante de mí.
20:4 No te harás imagen, ni ninguna semejanza de lo que esté arriba en el cielo, ni abajo en la tierra, ni en las aguas debajo de la tierra.
20:5 No te inclinarás a ellas, ni las honrarás; porque yo soy Jehová tu Dios, fuerte, celoso, que visito la maldad de los padres sobre los hijos hasta la tercera y cuarta generación de los que me aborrecen,
20:6 y hago misericordia a millares, a los que me aman y guardan mis mandamientos.
20:7 No tomarás el nombre de Jehová tu Dios en vano; porque no dará por inocente Jehová al que tomare su nombre en vano.
20:8 Acuérdate del día de reposo para santificarlo.
20:9 Seis días trabajarás, y harás toda tu obra;
20:10 mas el séptimo día es reposo para Jehová tu Dios; no hagas en él obra alguna, tú, ni tu hijo, ni tu hija, ni tu siervo, ni tu criada, ni tu bestia, ni tu extranjero que está dentro de tus puertas.
20:11 Porque en seis días hizo Jehová los cielos y la tierra, el mar, y todas las cosas que en ellos hay, y reposó en el séptimo día; por tanto, Jehová bendijo el día de reposo y lo santificó.
20:12 Honra a tu padre y a tu madre, para que tus días se alarguen en la tierra que Jehová tu Dios te da.
20:13 No matarás.
20:14 No cometerás adulterio.
20:15 No hurtarás.
20:16 No hablarás contra tu prójimo falso testimonio.
20:17 No codiciarás la casa de tu prójimo, no codiciarás la mujer de tu prójimo, ni su siervo, ni su criada, ni su buey, ni su asno, ni cosa alguna de tu prójimo.

ENTONCES SI SON PARA TODOS, PERO DENTRO DEL PENTATEUCO(LOS 5 PRIMEROS LIBROS DE BIBLIA)ESTAN LAS LEYES QUE DA MOISES AL PUEBLO JUDIO....
TAMBIEN ANTES DE MOSIES PASO LO DEL DILUVIO....Y CUANDO ELLOS BAJARON DEL ARCA DIOS MANDO A SACRIFICAR UN CORDERO POR LOS PECADOS DEL MUNDO..... ENTONCES ANTES PARA PEDIR PERDON A DIOS HABIA QUE SACRIFICAR UN CORDERO.....

EN EL NUEVO TESTAMENTO EL PACTO ES NUEVO.... DIOS ENVIO A SU HIJO UNIJENITO A MORIR EN LA CRUZ DEL CALVARIO Y CUANDO DERRAMO SU SANGRE LIMPIO NOUSTROS PECADOS.... ENTONCES DIOS ENVIA A QUE TODOS CREAMOS ES SU HIJO PARA LLEGAR AL PADRE Y LOS MANDAMIENTOS SIGUEN SIENDO IGUALES A TODOS... PERO JESUS DICE QUE SOLO CON AMOR CUMPLIMOS LOS MANDAMIENTOS

SALUDOS COMPAS.....
 
Pilon dijo:
Lo cuál nos lleva a la pregunta.
¿Dios estaba con Constantino?
¿Quién fué el que escogió cuáles libros estaban inspirados por Dios y cuáles no?
DISCULPA QUE TE RESPONDA CON UNA PREGUNTA...
TU CREES QUE ESOS MAES DE CANAL 23 QUE SE LA PASAN PIDIENDO PLATA(SIN VERGUENZAS) LOS HACEN POR DIOS O POR NEGOCIO?

ALGO ASI FUE CON CONSTANTINO
 
BILL1283 dijo:
ENTONCES SI SON PARA TODOS, PERO DENTRO DEL PENTATEUCO(LOS 5 PRIMEROS LIBROS DE BIBLIA)ESTAN LAS LEYES QUE DA MOISES AL PUEBLO JUDIO....
TAMBIEN ANTES DE MOSIES PASO LO DEL DILUVIO....Y CUANDO ELLOS BAJARON DEL ARCA DIOS MANDO A SACRIFICAR UN CORDERO POR LOS PECADOS DEL MUNDO..... ENTONCES ANTES PARA PEDIR PERDON A DIOS HABIA QUE SACRIFICAR UN CORDERO.....

EN EL NUEVO TESTAMENTO EL PACTO ES NUEVO.... DIOS ENVIO A SU HIJO UNIJENITO A MORIR EN LA CRUZ DEL CALVARIO Y CUANDO DERRAMO SU SANGRE LIMPIO NOUSTROS PECADOS.... ENTONCES DIOS ENVIA A QUE TODOS CREAMOS ES SU HIJO PARA LLEGAR AL PADRE Y LOS MANDAMIENTOS SIGUEN SIENDO IGUALES A TODOS... PERO JESUS DICE QUE SOLO CON AMOR CUMPLIMOS LOS MANDAMIENTOS

SALUDOS COMPAS.....

Solamente para profundizar, el Primer Pacto funciona asi:
Para accesar al Cielo la Ley nos juzga, si cumplimos con la Ley adquirimos el derecho a las llaves del cielo, de lo contrario nos vamos al Seol.
Que sucedio? La Ley condenaba a toda la Raza Humana porque al menos alguna vez todos incumplian con algun mandamiento.
El Segundo Pacto sustituye a la Ley por la Gracia.
La Gracia es un regalo de Dios, algo asi como el indulto.
Como se obtiene la Gracia? Reconociendo que Jesucristo es el Hijo de Dios y pidiendole que entre nuestros corazones.
Por la Gracia somos salvos sin importar cuan pecadores seamos porque Cristo murio por nuestros pecados, siendo él el mas perfecto chivo expiatorio de todos nuestros errores.
Ahora si le encuentras la Logica?
 
Jaguar-O dijo:
La Gracia es un regalo de Dios, algo asi como el indulto.
Como se obtiene la Gracia? Reconociendo que Jesucristo es el Hijo de Dios y pidiendole que entre nuestros corazones.
Por la Gracia somos salvos sin importar cuan pecadores seamos porque Cristo murio por nuestros pecados, siendo él el mas perfecto chivo expiatorio de todos nuestros errores.
Ahora si le encuentras la Logica?

Al seol no van los pecadores, solo los q no creen, estoy bien? me parece q si tiene logica

sin embargo,

o sea q yo puedo pecar las veces q quiera, q mientras crea en jesucristo voy a ser salvo? romper los mandamientos q sean, las veces q sea, y salvo?
 
OK, vamos bien de poquito a poquito.
Con respecto a la Gracia hay 2 teorias ambas validadas totalmente en el Nuevo Testamento y contradictorias. Quieres oirlas?

:)
 
Por supuesto, mi pregunta es, si ambas estan validadas en la biblia, y son contradictorias, no quiere eso decir q la biblia se contradice a si misma? cosa q todo cristiano niega rotundamente. Y segundo, como se yo a cual hacerle caso?
 
Janitor dijo:
Jaguar-O dijo:
La Gracia es un regalo de Dios, algo asi como el indulto.
Como se obtiene la Gracia? Reconociendo que Jesucristo es el Hijo de Dios y pidiendole que entre nuestros corazones.
Por la Gracia somos salvos sin importar cuan pecadores seamos porque Cristo murio por nuestros pecados, siendo él el mas perfecto chivo expiatorio de todos nuestros errores.
Ahora si le encuentras la Logica?

Al seol no van los pecadores, solo los q no creen, estoy bien? me parece q si tiene logica

sin embargo,

o sea q yo puedo pecar las veces q quiera, q mientras crea en jesucristo voy a ser salvo? romper los mandamientos q sean, las veces q sea, y salvo?
ALGO DE SI PERO NO COMO LO DICES TU...


QUIERO VER QUE DICE JAGUAR-O
 
En los catolicos la cadena de servicio va asi, el feligres le confiesa los pecados al cura, el cura puede absolver los pecado a cambio de una penitencia, ya que el cura se comunica con la Virgen Maria quien intercede continuamente para el perdon de los pecados, a su hijo Jesucristo, este le lleva el mensaje a Dios quien nos perdona y nos permite llegar al Cielo. Nada de esto se encuentra en la Biblia sino en el Codigo Canonico y en la Tradicion.
En los cristiano hay dos ramas fuertemente divididas:
1. La Supergracia. Tal como explica Janitor ya no importa cuanto se peque, ya estas perdonado, asi que viva tranquilo, viva feliz. La Supergracia se basa en que es un regalo, por lo tanto, no hay nada que un humano pueda hacer para merecerlo. Lo creen principalmente, luteranos y anglicanos. Por eso, es que estos pueblos facilmente erran sin remordimientos.
2. La fe sin obras es muerta. Segun Santiago, despues de aceptar a Jesucristo hay que clasificarse al Cielo y dependiendo de lo bien que lo haga le dan una corona. Hay una parte en Apocalipsis donde vienen escala de corona desde madera a oro y tambien escalas en cercania al Trono de Dios. O sea, que Kabal se va a poner maldito si llega al Cielo y tampoco encuentra el Comunismo alli, porque habria evidentes diferencias sociales.

Pero, habra envidia?

:)
 
Janitor dijo:
Al seol no van los pecadores, solo los q no creen, estoy bien? me parece q si tiene logica

De acuerdo a la terminologia biblica, antes de la Muerte de Jesucristo el Infierno estaba dividido en 2: El Seol: donde van las almas de los que murieron lejos de la voluntad de Dios y el Seno de Abraham: donde iban las almas que aun habiendo hecho mayoritariamente la voluntad de Dios la Ley los condenaba. Cuando Jesucristo vence la muerte todas las almas que estaban en el Seno de Abraham fueron liberadas, por eso la Biblia menciona muchos fantasmas que aparecieron en la faz de la Tierra incluyendo a Jesus mismo en las horas subsiguientes y finalmente fueron ascendidos al Cielo.
El Seol todavia existe y no sera hasta que sean juzgados por el Libro de la Vida cuando esas almas seran arrojadas al Lago de Fuego y Azufre.

Pregunta logica: Cuanto le duele al alma el calor? Tiene nervios?
 

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