Metal con Mensaje positivo o bueno, meramente cristiano.
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A ver que opinan, para defender mi grupo (ya de por si me compre el CD; jajajaja)
Going in the way of madness
Can this mankind go on?
Living ilusions and sadness
They don’t know what is wrong
Going to the dark abiss, loosing time, going die
Waitng just their destiny, learning lies, all the time
Angels in darknes are waiting
Right the evil time
This world is under the evil
And this angels lies
Waiting for miracles, claming a savior
They don’t know Jesus
He’s the way, he’s the savior of this world
He’s alive, he’s the greatest miracle of the lord
He’s the father of light, he’s the way, the truth the life
Pongo la letra solo por ahorrarles tiempo, y que conste qeu mi posicion no es a favor del panderetismo. Simplemente es a favor de lo que suena bien, y para mi oido ellos suenan bien
Going in the way of madness
Can this mankind go on?
Living ilusions and sadness
They don’t know what is wrong
Going to the dark abiss, loosing time, going die
Waitng just their destiny, learning lies, all the time
Angels in darknes are waiting
Right the evil time
This world is under the evil
And this angels lies
Waiting for miracles, claming a savior
They don’t know Jesus
He’s the way, he’s the savior of this world
He’s alive, he’s the greatest miracle of the lord
He’s the father of light, he’s the way, the truth the life
Pongo la letra solo por ahorrarles tiempo, y que conste qeu mi posicion no es a favor del panderetismo. Simplemente es a favor de lo que suena bien, y para mi oido ellos suenan bien
Cargando...
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Estbarul dijo:
depende, mis estimados, depende.
si sos una persona que juzga una canción sólo por su musicalización, entonces cero problemas
pero si pasa como a mí, que trato de ver las varas integrales, entonces sí entramos en conflicto existencial.
y es que, como sé que es el caso de javi y me parece que el de estbarul también, no tienen problema con el mensaje cristiano, entonces tampoco la letra les va a afectar.
el asunto es que habemos muchas personas para quienes nuestra cosmovisión se encuentra en abierto conflicto con el cristianismo per se, entonces es fijo que no vamos a gustar de estas bandas. claro está, eso no les va restar méritos como músicos, si es que los tienen, pero simplemente no vamos a sentir inclinación por escucharlos.
y nada más para aclarar, el que sientas alergia por el cristianismo o por cualquier tipo de religión, no necesariamente te convierte en ateo
A mi no me gusta casi nada de la musica cristiana, me pueden esnseñar un grupo nuevo, lo comienzo a escuchar suena bien, pero me dicen es cristiano se vino todo al suelo, me matan el polvo, no me gusta nada de las tematicas cristianas, me imagino la iglesia llena de panderretas "jevis" y hasta me da cosa dijo el dr. Chapatin, respeto a los maes que tocan por ser musicoa y haber ensayado por años para alcanzar el nivel que tienen, pero no me llega su corriente religiosa.
Me "molesta" (no encontre otra palabra)mas los maes que se transforman cuando estan viejos y se hacen panderetas despues de todo el despiche, y comienzan a tocar metal cristiano.
Otro punto como decian mas adelante el hecho de que la musica o lo que sea, tenga un contenido cristiano, no quiere decir que sea bueno, cuidado no es la contrario y le da a la gente mensajes que fomentan la intolerancia y la exclusion hacia las personas que tienen filosofias de vida contrarias a las de ellos y otras cosas .
Me "molesta" (no encontre otra palabra)mas los maes que se transforman cuando estan viejos y se hacen panderetas despues de todo el despiche, y comienzan a tocar metal cristiano.
Otro punto como decian mas adelante el hecho de que la musica o lo que sea, tenga un contenido cristiano, no quiere decir que sea bueno, cuidado no es la contrario y le da a la gente mensajes que fomentan la intolerancia y la exclusion hacia las personas que tienen filosofias de vida contrarias a las de ellos y otras cosas .
Luna-tik dijo:
Si, igual si no le gustan no hay bronca, mientras que las acepte (tolerancia :-o ).
En cuanto a la musica claro que es importante, pero tambien me fijo en las liricas, y pues, a pesar de que hablan de dios y se hechan unas parlas de vez en cuando, dejando eso de lado, son liricas como cualquier otra (no todas son positivas), e inclusive hay algunos grupos que uno ni se da cuenta que son cristianos.
Luna, ojala no escuche estas bandas por la alergia, y no por un estereotipo o prejucio hacia ellas.
saludes
Diay maes, vamos a ver como me va con este post.
Les digo algo?? Una de las bandas con mucho mensaje positivo (NO CRISTIANO) que yo escucho es Mago de Oz. No voy a entrar en detalles de el disco nuevo, que el viejo, que Jose cantando, que Juanma...NO!!! Mago de Oz como un solo.
Hay letras como la de La costa del Silencio, La conquista, Gaia (PIEZON), Hasta que el cuerpo aguante, entre muchas, que a uno si le dan algo por que sonreir. Yo opino que mucha musica habla de varas que en realidad son buenas, sin necesidad de caer en religiones.
Otro ejemplo que se me viene es Stratovarius, hay una oracion que es la oracion de la serenidad, que es de hecho una pieza de Strato del Elements Pt II (Nuevamente no entro en discusion de discos, solo estoy formando un punto) es una letra que yo la aplico en mi vida cuando le pido a Dios (porque si creo en el, mas no en las religiones) por X, Y, o Z vara que me este pasando. Dice asi
Give me a way to accept things
I cannot change anymore
The courage to change anymore
And the wisdom to know the difference
Ahi se los dejo pa que lo analicen, la pieza esta en toas
Les digo algo?? Una de las bandas con mucho mensaje positivo (NO CRISTIANO) que yo escucho es Mago de Oz. No voy a entrar en detalles de el disco nuevo, que el viejo, que Jose cantando, que Juanma...NO!!! Mago de Oz como un solo.
Hay letras como la de La costa del Silencio, La conquista, Gaia (PIEZON), Hasta que el cuerpo aguante, entre muchas, que a uno si le dan algo por que sonreir. Yo opino que mucha musica habla de varas que en realidad son buenas, sin necesidad de caer en religiones.
Otro ejemplo que se me viene es Stratovarius, hay una oracion que es la oracion de la serenidad, que es de hecho una pieza de Strato del Elements Pt II (Nuevamente no entro en discusion de discos, solo estoy formando un punto) es una letra que yo la aplico en mi vida cuando le pido a Dios (porque si creo en el, mas no en las religiones) por X, Y, o Z vara que me este pasando. Dice asi
Give me a way to accept things
I cannot change anymore
The courage to change anymore
And the wisdom to know the difference
Ahi se los dejo pa que lo analicen, la pieza esta en toas
Estbarul dijo:
estereotipo? para nada
prejuicio? mucho menos
insisto, puedo escuchar algo y reconocer que es bueno -siempre que lo sea- pero de ahí a tener alguna banda entre mis chineados, lo dudo mucho.
sólo los ríos no se devuelven, es muy cierto. pero Luna y el cristianismo? qué va! es un distanciamiento insalvable.
ahora bien, ya volviendo al tema, algo que sí me resulta intolerable e imperdonable es "montar" letras cristianas sobre músicas que no lo son. cito un ejemplo aunque no sea metal: empezar a escuchar las melancólicas guitarras de THE SOUND OF SILENCE (Simon & Garfunkel) pero lo que suena en realidad es una canción con la letra del "Padre Nuestro". podrá ser una oración muy importante para muchas personas en el mundo (incluso yo con ligeras modificaciones, jeje) pero hay cosas que no se deben revolver
Luna-tik dijo:
De hecho que la Iglesia Catolica ya no permite esas canciones. Una compita mia se caso y pidio esa pieza para el padre nuestro y le dijeron que ya no se podia.
Y aunque la religion en si me parece muy vana, me fascina de sobremanera todo lo qeu sea arquitectura de las iglesias, los cuadros, esculturas, atuendos y varas asi. Al menos en la pelicula de Angles and Demons (Siempre digo Demons and Angels por Primal Fear) me cuadro un pichaso la recreacion qeu hicieron del vaticano
una banda como van halen no se tiene q hacer cristiana para dar un buen mensaje ademas depende mucho de lo q uno tenga visto de lo q es bueno y lo q es malo.
igual mejor q no sea cristiano el metal para mi gusto...
a mi hasta el mismo megadeth y mustaine especificamente me cayo en las puras bolas ya hasta las letras de las piezas cambia y anda hecho un dolor de pinga por tocar con otros grupos por q ahora para el son satanicos...
si quieren leer:
Megadeth's Dave Mustaine Vs. Satanic Bands [As a Christian refuses to play]
Sun May 15 00:06:04 2005.
Dave Mustaine was reportedly willing to cancel Megadeth's Greek dates (to be more specific: wherever Rotting Christ are set to appear as support) due to his known dislike for black/death metal bands that depict religious issues in a negative light. Here's what a member of Megadeth's official forums posted concerning this issue and what Dave Mustaine posted in response (as found on the band's forums):
# April3rd: Well, Megadeth will be playing Greece this summer. Both Athens and Thessaloniki. Although it is not yet on the Killing Road the company that organizes the concert announced that the support act for the gig in Athens will be the Greek black metal band Rotting Christ. We all know Dave's beliefs and his opinion about black metal. Rotting Christ, as you can easily understand, don't actually go to church every Sunday, instead they had taken part in the "F--k Christ Tour" along with Mayhem and other Satanic bands a few years ago. Hey, Dave, do you mind them opening for you?
# Dave Mustaine: Well, if they are on it, I certainly don't want to kick them off. We will just have to pass and play Greece another time or place. I have informed my management and they know what I feel.
Lately, Megadeth mainman Dave Mustaine posted the following message in the "Forums" section of the band's official web site: "It has come to my attention that there was a show in Greece where an allegedly 'full-on' Satanic band [Rotting Christ] was going to be playing, as well as one in Israel too [Dissection]. No one knows for sure what their intent or content is, so I am not going to say they are.
"Yes, I said that I was not really interested in playing with Satanic [bands], and that is because I changed my outlook on life and my spritual beliefs over three years ago. I became a Christian, yes, and I have made even more mistakes now that I have, because there are things I do that I know I should not do, and things I do not do that I know I should.
"Plus I have helpful people like the guy in this thread who is quick to point out my failings, and volunteering as my self-appointed judge to remind me of everything that I am doing wrong.
"Yes, I did say I would prefer not to play on concerts with Satanic bands. That doesn't mean I won't, it doesn't mean I would not talk with the bands either, (sometimes it is just for fun anyway with these bands). But to make a life-altering change and then not have some kind of affect would not have been a change at all, would it? It's not much different from staying away from booze if you have made a decision to be sober.
"The concerts that I headline or I put together is usually my choice who I want to play with; festivals are different. If I don't feel it is right for me to do something, then like I said in this post here I would just respectfully decline. I would not ask that anyone be taken off if they were already confirmed.
"I have to draw the line and stand for my beliefs or they aren't beliefs at all, are they? I don't expect anyone to fully understand this, but I know many of you do, and I thank you for your support.
"To the Droogie that is set on insulting me about my beliefs, I understand. It is easy for a person with no beliefs to mock someone who does. I don't know if you do (I hope so), but it appears not. Because if you did, you would say, 'Well, those are Dave's beliefs, they are not like mine, but if mine are to be respected, than so should his.'
"I doubt you will think things through like this before you come on here and attack me for my beliefs again, but here's to hoping. And ya might want to check the guidelines of this site too; we are pretty friendly here, but personal attacks don't sit well here.
"And if not, I imagine someone will prolly buy your ticket and I will dedicate a song to your abscence at the concert.
"The moral to the story is this ... I don't like certain bands and that will never change that in me."
And here's what frontman Sakis Tolis of the Rotting Christ has said in response (exclusively via Metal Temple magazine), concerning the issue that has arisen due to Mustaine's comments:
"Unfortunately, we find ourselves in the difficult position to have to announce to our fans that we feel like canceling our upcoming participation in two big festivals (something that we have done several times before, too), with the reason being our band's name. A name that expresses our opposition to any kind of religion, a name that opposes to any fake visions of an eternal calmness and peace, a name that is a punch at the conservative basis of the hypocritical and religious so-called democratic societies.
"Unfortunately the middle ages still find their way into the new millennium and metal must support the freedom of the mind, something that it has been doing since its foundation."
igual mejor q no sea cristiano el metal para mi gusto...
a mi hasta el mismo megadeth y mustaine especificamente me cayo en las puras bolas ya hasta las letras de las piezas cambia y anda hecho un dolor de pinga por tocar con otros grupos por q ahora para el son satanicos...
si quieren leer:
Megadeth's Dave Mustaine Vs. Satanic Bands [As a Christian refuses to play]
Sun May 15 00:06:04 2005.
Dave Mustaine was reportedly willing to cancel Megadeth's Greek dates (to be more specific: wherever Rotting Christ are set to appear as support) due to his known dislike for black/death metal bands that depict religious issues in a negative light. Here's what a member of Megadeth's official forums posted concerning this issue and what Dave Mustaine posted in response (as found on the band's forums):
# April3rd: Well, Megadeth will be playing Greece this summer. Both Athens and Thessaloniki. Although it is not yet on the Killing Road the company that organizes the concert announced that the support act for the gig in Athens will be the Greek black metal band Rotting Christ. We all know Dave's beliefs and his opinion about black metal. Rotting Christ, as you can easily understand, don't actually go to church every Sunday, instead they had taken part in the "F--k Christ Tour" along with Mayhem and other Satanic bands a few years ago. Hey, Dave, do you mind them opening for you?
# Dave Mustaine: Well, if they are on it, I certainly don't want to kick them off. We will just have to pass and play Greece another time or place. I have informed my management and they know what I feel.
Lately, Megadeth mainman Dave Mustaine posted the following message in the "Forums" section of the band's official web site: "It has come to my attention that there was a show in Greece where an allegedly 'full-on' Satanic band [Rotting Christ] was going to be playing, as well as one in Israel too [Dissection]. No one knows for sure what their intent or content is, so I am not going to say they are.
"Yes, I said that I was not really interested in playing with Satanic [bands], and that is because I changed my outlook on life and my spritual beliefs over three years ago. I became a Christian, yes, and I have made even more mistakes now that I have, because there are things I do that I know I should not do, and things I do not do that I know I should.
"Plus I have helpful people like the guy in this thread who is quick to point out my failings, and volunteering as my self-appointed judge to remind me of everything that I am doing wrong.
"Yes, I did say I would prefer not to play on concerts with Satanic bands. That doesn't mean I won't, it doesn't mean I would not talk with the bands either, (sometimes it is just for fun anyway with these bands). But to make a life-altering change and then not have some kind of affect would not have been a change at all, would it? It's not much different from staying away from booze if you have made a decision to be sober.
"The concerts that I headline or I put together is usually my choice who I want to play with; festivals are different. If I don't feel it is right for me to do something, then like I said in this post here I would just respectfully decline. I would not ask that anyone be taken off if they were already confirmed.
"I have to draw the line and stand for my beliefs or they aren't beliefs at all, are they? I don't expect anyone to fully understand this, but I know many of you do, and I thank you for your support.
"To the Droogie that is set on insulting me about my beliefs, I understand. It is easy for a person with no beliefs to mock someone who does. I don't know if you do (I hope so), but it appears not. Because if you did, you would say, 'Well, those are Dave's beliefs, they are not like mine, but if mine are to be respected, than so should his.'
"I doubt you will think things through like this before you come on here and attack me for my beliefs again, but here's to hoping. And ya might want to check the guidelines of this site too; we are pretty friendly here, but personal attacks don't sit well here.
"And if not, I imagine someone will prolly buy your ticket and I will dedicate a song to your abscence at the concert.
"The moral to the story is this ... I don't like certain bands and that will never change that in me."
And here's what frontman Sakis Tolis of the Rotting Christ has said in response (exclusively via Metal Temple magazine), concerning the issue that has arisen due to Mustaine's comments:
"Unfortunately, we find ourselves in the difficult position to have to announce to our fans that we feel like canceling our upcoming participation in two big festivals (something that we have done several times before, too), with the reason being our band's name. A name that expresses our opposition to any kind of religion, a name that opposes to any fake visions of an eternal calmness and peace, a name that is a punch at the conservative basis of the hypocritical and religious so-called democratic societies.
"Unfortunately the middle ages still find their way into the new millennium and metal must support the freedom of the mind, something that it has been doing since its foundation."
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Brutal combo.
6 pichazos.
Pues; el tema se fue en puro título porque eso es lo que se comenta; sobre el mensaje positivo en piezas cristianas.
Una pieza que me llega un pichazo y es un himno para mí:
I want out-Helloween.
No habla nada más que de la vida.
6 pichazos.
Pues; el tema se fue en puro título porque eso es lo que se comenta; sobre el mensaje positivo en piezas cristianas.
Una pieza que me llega un pichazo y es un himno para mí:
I want out-Helloween.
No habla nada más que de la vida.
Himnos del Metal hay un pichaso, algunos temas apesar que hablan del odio que se siente hacia determinada porcion de la sociedad se le encuentra un sentido a su vez noble.....
..................por ejemplo LOVE US OR HATE US..............Kreator!!!!! :twisted: .... cuando se la echaron aqui fue la crema real!!!
..................por ejemplo LOVE US OR HATE US..............Kreator!!!!! :twisted: .... cuando se la echaron aqui fue la crema real!!!
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