Què es el islamismo?

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puroterror dijo:

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Yo sé, mae; sólo estaba jodiendo al noob.

Sobre el tema, cuál es la opinión que ustedes tienen del Islam?? No creen que hay mucha desinformación circulando por la calle?? No es una religión de mi agrado, pero creo que se ha tergiversado por culpa de un grupito que como en todas las religiones mezclan su extrema religiosidad con violencia y ustedes qué piensan?

De nuevo les pido que no la desacrediten sin argumentos, porque a veces se cae en insultos innecesarios, no caigamos en islamofobia.

Saludos!!

Para mi es una religion que dad su antiguedad, cae algunas veces en modelos e ideas arcaicas.

Le pasa lo que muchas otras religiones antiguas. Lo que antes se veia como algo normal, ahora se ve como una aberracion.

El uso de la violencia, la venganza y el machismo no eran cosas malas en la epoca. Ahora si.

Yo en lo particular no siento interes en aprender de cosas que ya no estan a la altura de los tiempos ni de nuestra sociedad.

un modelo que crea en la inflexibilidad esta condenado a cometer muchos errores.

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JupiterMrt dijo:

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I love teasing newbies! They're so naive!

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Nah you weren`t teasing me, to the contrary, you didn’t know who you were dealing with. LOLOLOLOL poor mozote jijijijijijijijijijijijjjiijijijijijij :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o
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Lo Mismo que los Judios Tradicionales y totalmente de acuerdo con PuroTerror el Islamismo a diferencia de por ejemplo el Cristianismo no se a maquillado con tanto modernismo si no que se ha dejado tal cual es. Sin embargo es solo una forma de vida tal cual asi como los Cristianos del siglo XXI y en buena teoria ya no sacrifican ganado (Literalmente hablando y sin crear controversia) Pienso que la forma radical de cada uno de ver su propia religion o liberal depende de cada cual.

El Islamismo al igual que cualquier otro Dogma es solo un conjunto de creencias que se deben adaptar al estilo de la vida de cada uno de sus seguidores. Conosco muchos seguidores del Islam que viven una vida comun sin complejos ni odios !

LOS SEGUIDORES DEL ISLAM NO ANDAN MONTADOS EN CAMELLOS CON MISILES QUE EXPLOTAN EN CIUDADES PARA MORIR Y ACOSTARSE EN EL CIELO CON VIRGENES ! Son seres Humanos Familias Niños Bebes Padres y Madres Gente profecional y tambien gente Humilde ! Son la Otra Gran Mitad de el Mundo.

Francamente los comentarios de la persona que dijo que esta Fe se trata de SEXO VIOLENCIA y no se que mas estupideces dijo !

Mira viejo aparte deberias de aparte de el curso de Ingles que llevaste los sabados en el salon comunal de tu barrio Buscar otras formas de educarte ojala en Cultura General y conocer un poquito mas de el resto de el mundo si tenes la oportunidad de Viajar y compartir antes de opinar !

Sobre lo que escribe Jupiter, es mejor ignorarlo, este mae no vale la pena determinarlo... Para mi que es hermanillo de Guajiro...

Sobre el Islam, estoy de acuerdo con Lycaon, no creo que el islam sea una religión de chavalos montados en camello esperando ser mártires... También dependerá mucho de la visión que tenga la persona de su propia religión, por ejemplo hay muchos que argumentan que los musulmanes que perpetraron los ataques terroristas en USA no eran ciudadanos por largo tiempo de este país, porque la comunidad musulmana estadounidense está "asimilada" por lo que se sienten estadounidenses como cualquier otro, esto porque aunque no sean la última chupada del mango, los gringos siguen siendo pluralistas en lo que a religiones se refiere. No así los musulmanes que perpetraron los atentados de Atocha, que sí vivieron en España largo tiempo y sabemos que los europeos actualmente tienen una tendencia menos pro religión y si más atea y hasta intolerante (ejemplo la prohibición de implementos religiosos en las escuelas francesas, prohibición de crucifijos en las escuelas italianas, etc.)

Entonces obviamente en una cultura anti religiosa y poco tolerante con las creencias de algunos, pues el accionar puede ser más radical (lo que no justifica).

Pero de igual forma, el Islam como religión monoteísta ha enriquecido mucho nuestra cultura occidental y es cuestión de darnos una vuelta en sus creencias para que veamos como tienen muchos ritos similares a los del judaísmo y del cristianismo...

Saludos!!

Barak dijo:

Entonces obviamente en una cultura anti religiosa y poco tolerante con las creencias de algunos, pues el accionar puede ser más radical (lo que no justifica).

Pero de igual forma, el Islam como religión monoteísta ha enriquecido mucho nuestra cultura occidental y es cuestión de darnos una vuelta en sus creencias para que veamos como tienen muchos ritos similares a los del judaísmo y del cristianismo...

Saludos!!

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BARAK TODO BIEN!!!
Y dime que opinas digamos de la tolerancia del cristianismo al islamismo??
y viceversa.....quienes son mas flexibles por decirlo asi?

Saludos y que estes bien

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Barak dijo:

Entonces obviamente en una cultura anti religiosa y poco tolerante con las creencias de algunos, pues el accionar puede ser más radical (lo que no justifica).

Pero de igual forma, el Islam como religión monoteísta ha enriquecido mucho nuestra cultura occidental y es cuestión de darnos una vuelta en sus creencias para que veamos como tienen muchos ritos similares a los del judaísmo y del cristianismo...

Saludos!!

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BARAK TODO BIEN!!!
Y dime que opinas digamos de la tolerancia del cristianismo al islamismo??
y viceversa.....quienes son mas flexibles por decirlo asi?

Saludos y que estes bien

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Yo considero que todo dependerá del islamismo que quieras ver, por supuesto no vas a comparar a los suníes de Arabia Saudita con los musulmanes que puedan vivir en Estados Unidos, estamos hablando que en Arabia Saudita los misioneros cristianos están destinados a morir si se conoce de su existencia en ese lugar, en Estados Unidos no, más bien los musulmanes en Estados Unidos como deben enfrentar la realidad de que ese país es “cristiano” entonces no pueden actuar agresivamente además que como lo dije anteriormente, los musulmanes americanos están mayormente adaptados a la sociedad occidental (motivo también por el cual critican a los turcos y su política laica). Ahora bien, los cristianos hacia los musulmanes lo que sienten es miedo, porque saben que no es lo mismo ver a un cristiano haciendo chistes sobre Jesús en un programa como Saturday Night Live que ver a un cristiano haciendo chistes o caricaturas de Mahoma y ver su embajada ardiendo en llamas… Talvez sea respeto, pero muchas veces es miedo, miedo a la reacción, hasta cierto punto el Islam es de las 3 religiones monoteístas la más nueva y digamos que la más medieval en algunos aspectos, aunque su proceso de ambientación y asimilación mundial va más acelerado que el que llevó el cristianismo o el judaísmo porque viven en un mundo más moderno, talvez en algunos años solamente sea un grupo de extremistas los que queden y sean una mayoría los que han llegado al proceso de tolerancia y convivencia, porque al final de cuentas asimilaran que las religiones son inventos humanos.

Quién es más flexible? Los dos hasta cierto punto, aunque por supuesto hay situaciones que no están dispuestos a negociar, por ejemplo las bromas que cité arriba, los cristianos no nos sentimos ofendidos al extremo por chistes sobre Jesús, pero ellos sí se sienten ofendidos por caricaturas sobre Mahoma, todo dependerá del lugar en que nos ubiquemos y la culturización de ese sector.

Saludos!!

Barak dijo:

Maes, se puede hablar de una religión sin tener que llegar al punto de desacreditarla o acusarla de "ente diabólico" caer en desacreditaciones no vale la pena.

Sobre el tema encontré esto desde la perspectiva islámica:

En el Islam

Gracias a Allah, Subhana wa Ta’ala, en el Islam no existen pecado original ni, por lo tanto, pecado, pues este concepto tiene una evidente relación con la idea de Pecado Original: el ser humano es malo por naturaleza.

En el Islam hay ‘error’ y ‘transgresión’, pero jamás pecado. El Qur’án rechaza el Pecado Original y también rechaza categóricamente que otro, un inocente, pague por los errores de los demás: “Nadie cargará con la culpa ajena”. (Sura 17, ayat 15). Por esto el Islam no contempla que el Enviado de Allah, Isa (Jesús), la paz sea con él, muriera en la cruz para salvar a los seres humanos del Pecado Original, cuando él era inocente de este supuesto pecado.

El sociólogo J. P. Charnay opina, sobre la actitud del Islam respecto del Pecado Original: “La idea del pecado original no ha sido aceptada en el Islam. La revelación final no ha condenado a la naturaleza humana como tal. La ausencia del pecado original acentúa la idea de responsabilidad individual.”

La responsabilidad, en el Islam, es un aspecto importantísimo, porque la libertad es la base que establece Allah para recompensar o castigar. Es decir, que sin libertad no se puede castigar ni premiar. Por lo tanto, el musulmán necesita de un espacio libertario que le permita desarrollar lo que Allah, Subhana wa Ta’ala le pide: conocimiento, libre elección, responsabilidad y acción.

Para el Islam, la responsabilidad de la expulsión del estado paradisíaco, es una responsabilidad compartida. El Qur’án no culpa a Eva de esta expulsión que, como sabemos, no cesa de proyectar una sombra acusadora sobre ella y las demás mujeres en la cultura judeocristiana.

Así pues, “La religión con sus misterios, con su magia, sus mitos, sus dioses, ídolos, fetiches, creencias y tabúes es la proyección invertida de la parte irracional, de los miedos, frustraciones e impotencias colectivas humanas. Los poderosos utilizan, manipulan y viven de los dioses y de sus imágenes, de las creencias y dolencias que se producen y reproducen con la disculpa de lo divino; es decir, las jerarquías, castas sacerdotales, sus sectas e iglesias”.

Tomado de http://www.webislam.com

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Entonces los musulmanes nunca cometen pecado!! Si fuese así, entonces que es para el musulman matar, degollar a un ser inocente, violar a niños menores,. Oye todo eso es pecado ante Dios el creador. Si no es pecado para los musulmanes, entonces quién es allah? Creo que el diablo (si ya se no crees ni el diablo) se esta divirtiendo con el islam. :arrow:

Killing by Beheading is Islamic!

Big question—‘Is the beheading Islamic?’

Yes, beheading is, of course, an Islamic justice to the infidels, criminals, and sinners. This cruel way of killing infidels is sanctioned by Islamic Sharia laws. Denial to the grotesque beheading of western Kaffirs by those Islamic terrorists (in Iraq) that it is not Islamic is yet another clear sign of ignorance, hypocrisy, or intellectual dishonesty by the defenders of Islam. Islamists are not ready to take the burden of ugly reality of the fact that human beheading is 100% consistent with the sacred Islamic Jihadi practices. Hatreds towards other religion such as Jews, Christians, Hindus and other polytheists are the ardent teachings of Islamic holy book Qur’an. Beheading was practiced by the Prophet Muhammad himself during the 7th century period of Islam and by the most Islamic rulers thereafter.

Saddest thing is no Islamists will ever tell you the truth about the intimate relation of beheading in Islam! Following the recent beheadings of Americans and other foreigners in Iraq and Saudi Arabia, the U.S. press turned to various experts to identify a precedent in the Quran or Islamic history for this kind of gory murder. Look what were the answers by some erudite but hypocritical Mullahs! Imam Muhammad Adam El-Sheik, co-founder and chief cleric at the Dar Al Hijrah Mosque at falls Church, VA told to the USA today: “Beheadings are not mentioned in the Koran at all". Yvonne Haddad, a professor at the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University has agreed with the above Imam and added (to New York Newsday): "There is absolutely nothing in Islam that justifies cutting off a person's head.” You go ask any Imam or mullah in the US, you will come up with the same lies again and again.

Obviously, had it not been the sacred custom of ancient Islam, beheading would be quite unnecessary method to kill enemies by those Islamic terrorists in Iraq. Those Islamic terrorists could easily kill their infidel enemies (such as Daniel Pearl, Nich berg, Kim Sun II, Paul Johnson etc.) by a simple bullet. But those militants actually wanted to give an Islamic veneer to the infidel slayings —because killing by beheading is considered most brutal and utterly degrading, and ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ western infidels deserve this type of brutal killing. In fact they ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ tried to follow the footsteps Prophet Muhammad and devoutly followed the Allah’s order in the Qur’an. Holy Quran is replete with the harsh verses which directly order Muslims to behead Kaffirs/infidels. Let me cite some sample of those verses below:

Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs:



5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”



8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”



47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”



9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”



2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.”



5: 45-- “We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Toth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.”



2:193- “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”



9:29- "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Zizziya tax) by hand, being inferior.”



8:17—It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah is a real merciful indeed!)


How can Islamic Mullahs blatantly hide these authentic Quarnic verses? The above Qur’anic scriptures incited early Muslim Jihadis to behead thousands of non-Muslims and other infidels. These same Quranic verses may still inciting devout/fanatical Muslims of modern days. During the early period of Islam, especially during Islamic expeditions by Prophet Muhammad himself while he was in Medina, thousands of infidels were brutally beheaded by the Jihadis. Below is a case in point collected from the authentic Islamic history to use as an example of Islamic beheading.


Proofs of beheading practice by Prophet Muhammad (According to “Sirat A, Rasul” page 464):
“When Banu Qurayza Jewish tribe was surrendered (627 A.D.) unconditionally, the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches tying theirs both hands with their necks. This beheading went on until the apostle made an end of them. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. Apparently Muhammad himself worked on the digging of the trench into which the massacred Jews were to be thrown. But he (Muhammad) did not ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ take part in those preparations, the formulation of the text states but also participated himself in beading of at least two of the leading Jews.

Sahi Buchari Hadiths #143, page-700 : Sulaiman Ibne Harb…Aannas Ibne Malek (ra) narrated, “in the war of Khaiber after the inhabitants of Banu Qurayza was surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he (prophet) took all women and children as captives (Ghani mateer maal).. Among the captives Rayhana a beautiful young Jewish girl was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mohr.”



Here is the excerpt from Dr. Andew Bostom’s article in the Frontpage Magazine:

‘According to the biography of Prophet Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, Prophet Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe mercilessly. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns.

The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deeds of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns:

“As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Indeed such odious “rules” were iterated by all four classical schools of Islamic jurisprudence, across the vast Muslim empire.

For centuries, from the Iberian Peninsula to the Indian subcontinent, jihad campaigns waged by Muslim armies against infidel Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists and Hindus, were punctuated by massacres, including mass throat slittings and beheadings. During the period of “enlightened” Muslim rule, the Christians of Iberian Toledo, who had first submitted to their Arab Muslim invaders in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. In the harsh Muslim reprisal that ensued, Toledo was pillaged, and all the Christian notables had their throats cut.

On the Indian subcontinent, Babur (1483-1530), the founder of the Mughal Empire, who is revered as a paragon of Muslim tolerance by modern revisionist historians, recorded the following in his autobiographical “Baburnama,” about infidel prisoners of a jihad campaign: "Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp."



Historical background.


Beheading of the criminals with a sword or axe was a common practice by all ancient civilizations for thousands of years. Beheading was widely used in Europe, Asia and Africa (Muslim and non-Muslim alike) until the very early 20th century, and ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ recently entire civilized world have abandoned this ancient cruel practice of capital punishment. But this barbaric ancient practice still exists in the Muslim world ************SPAM/BANNEAR************. Among them are—Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Yemen and Iran and erstwhile Talebani Afghanistan. Beheadings have also occurred (perpetrated by the Jihadis in the recent past) in Algeria, Nigeria, Kashmir, Chechnya and the Muslim-dominated southern Philippines. Iranian mullahs have cut off the heads of some political figures. The Beirut CIA station chief William Buckley was kidnapped by Hezbollah and sent to Iran, where he was beheaded in 1986.





The beheading Capital of the modern world—Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is the birth place of Islam. Holy Quran ( Sharia laws) is the Saudi Arabia’s constitution. Islamic Sharia (Islamic Hudut laws) was formulated from the Quran and ahadiths which permits beheading of the infidels and ugly criminals like killers. Please don’t come to make your empty claim—that Saudi Arabia is not a real Islamic country! You have to give us crucial reasons why Saudi is not a real Islamic country? Also you must give us examples where lies the real Islam? Also please do not make empty sound of “mistranslation” or your ludicrous claim of so called “out of context”. Quran is considered eternal by the fanatical Muslims. Therefore, nothing is out of context to the fanatics of Islam until the judgement day!

Saudi Arabia uses public beheading as the punishment for murder, rape, drug trafficking, sodomy and armed robbery, apostasy and certain other offences such as homosexuality illicit love affairs of Saudi girls (one Saudi princess was beheaded for illicit love). 45 men and 2 women were beheaded in 2002 and a further 52 men and 1 woman in 2003. The condemned of both sexes are given tranquillisers and then taken by police van to a public square or a car park after midday Friday prayers. Their eyes are covered and they are blindfolded. The police clear the square of traffic and a sheet of blue plastic sheet about 16 feet square is laid out on the ground. Dressed in their own clothes, barefoot, with shackled feet and hands cuffed behind their back, the prisoner is led by a police officer to the centre of the sheet where they are made to kneel facing Mecca. An Interior Ministry official reads out the prisoner's name and crime to the crowd of witnesses. Saudi Arabia also cut (Chopping) hands and feet of the thieves. And Saudi does this as per Islamic code and tradition.


The Saudi government says the punishment (Qisas) is sanctioned by Islamic tradition. State-ordered beheadings are performed in courtyards outside crowded mosques in major cities after weekly Friday prayer services. A condemned convict is brought into the courtyard; hands tied, and forced to bow before an executioner, who swings a huge sword amid cries from onlookers of "Allahu Akbar!" Arabic for "God is great."


No Remorse at all in the Arab Medias:

While prison abuse scandal in the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq created deluge of criticisms, condemnations and apology in the west, especially among the American medias, but it is astoundingly surprising that these brutal, barbaric beheadings of innocent civilian infidels in Iraq created virtually no remorse or condemnation in the entire Muslim world in general, in the entire Arab world in particular. In his Washington post essay titled: “Where's the Arab Media's Sense of Outrage?” Mamoun Fandy a columnist for two daily newspapers, Asharq al-Awsat in London and al-Ahram in Cairo, put his outrage in this way: “As I scanned Arab satellite channels and Arabic newspapers, I found a lot of reporting on the brutal attacks by the terrorists, but very little condemnation and a widespread willingness to run the stomach-turning video and photos (beheadings) again and again. Showing videotapes of people being shot, beheaded or held hostage with a curved sword aimed at their neck is largely new terrain for the Arab media. As a media critic whose focus is the Arab world, I have watched perhaps a dozen Arab channels and read countless newspapers in recent weeks. I found that few Arab commentators and journalists noted either that major shift or its significance. In particular, the Kim and Johnson beheadings generally have been reported as if they were quite ordinary.



Al-Jazeera is the famous Arab network that calls every Arab suicide bomber a shaheed, or martyr. Islamic radicals have killed writers in Algeria, Egypt and elsewhere whose work challenged the logic of martyrdom and "random jihad," or killing foreigners in the name of Islam. But the lack of condemnation of the beheadings, despite their barbarism, is a direct result of a broad and dangerous trend in Arab media and in Arab culture broadly. The Arab world today swims in a sea of linguistic violence that justifies terrorism and makes it acceptable, especially to the young.

One Egyptian student told me the Americans "deserve [killing] for their support to Israel and their occupation of Iraq." A Kuwaiti who recently graduated from a Pennsylvania university said of Americans, "Don't believe them when they say it is al Qaeda that is slaying Americans. It is Americans who are killing Americans to justify their presence in the Arab world and to control Arab oil." Arabs should stop deceiving themselves by confusing the suffering of Arabs in Iraq and the occupied territories in Israel with the beheading of innocent people in Iraq and elsewhere.”



Why Killing Islamically: (?)

Perhaps, many can not quite conceive why these Islamic terrorists use this ancient barbaric method of beheading (by sword, knives or Axes) to kill kaffirs, instead of using simple and sure method of bullets. This is because they are the true Muslims and true followers of the best human Prophet Muhammad. It’s not true that they have any shortage of guns and pistols. But they are afraid to disobeying Prophet’s methods and tactics prescribed by the holy Quran. They are desperate to get full benefits (getting lucrative Islamic heavens as promised by the Quran) of their service to Islam. Therefore they are bound to use Prophetic methods (read Islamic style) of killing/assassinating the enemies of Allah and Prophet by slitting necks, cutting hands and legs by a long curve sword. This is the same good reason why in Bangladesh—Jamati Islami,s (a political party) student-wing Chatra-Shibir’s jihadis use to kill their opponents by cutting hands and feet. They want to follow everything as per Islamic code. Because Islam still sits and firmly anchored in the 7th century medieval period and never will move ahead.



Conclusion:

Hope it is now clear why Islamic jihadis are cutting necks (beheading), chopping wrists, hands and legs of anybody who dares to go against Allah and Prophet. Because they know more than anybody of us that ‘beheading’ is of course, prescribed method of Islamic killing. Islamists also consider beheading as the most degrading way of killing lowly human beings (called Kaffirs) and they love to use this brutal barbaric method to kill any infidels, because they hate infidels worst than the dog.

Thanks to our blind-eyed hypocritical Muslim elites (both residing inside their native lands and outside in the western paradise of democracy) for their intentional ignorance about the real Islam. Their broken records of “this is not real Islam” will ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ add more fuel to the infernos of jihadis mindsets to commit more and more Islamic barbarism. Uttering the most heinous phrase: “This is not the real Islam” will do no good to the millions of Muslims. Mind you, Islamic terrorists, al-Qaeda jihadists, Osama-bin-laden, and so called Wahabi followers are all perfect and real Muslims by the book. They are the ardent followers of the Islamic scriptures. These jihadis will never listen to your logic or advice; they all will take advice and teachings from the Holy book called Quran and sahi hadiths (traditions of Prophet Muhammad).

Time has arrived now to identify and intervening the real cause of this ancient medieval stupidity. Real problem is with the ancient teachings of Islam (read Qur’an) which are outdated and no longer fitting the today’s civilized world. Nothing can change this precarious situation of Muslims unless we realize the real problem and take care of it.

Last night I was thinking that if we freethinkers/atheists/non-believers/agnostics wrote the holy books like Quran/Bible/Gita, what would those holy verses look like ...

Jesus could not have been my son I was out of my home that night"

Though shalt not kill, except in the name of God

"Jesus could not have been my son I was out of my home that night" --God (Psalm 90.2.1)

"I *LOVE you (unless you are : atheist -secular Muslims - rationalists -Hindus, Christian - Jews -crossdresser or working class"- Allah (sura Allovara 22:35)

"When you call me (God), line will never be busy (************SPAM/BANNEAR************ 3.99$ + no internet charge)" --God

"Love thy neighbor of other religion, but relentlessly persecute if theydon't accept that your religion is greater .." - God.

"I created Brahmins from head and Shudras from leg to prove that I don't believe in caste system" - Brohmma (Vedas !)

"I always send bears to devour children who tease prophet and make earthquake in Gujraat or make flood in Bangladesh to kill poor people to test their morality.... It's a real fun " -- God.

"I discriminated womankind in terms of inheritance and testimony to prove that women are just equal to men in my eyes" - Allah (sura 12:12)

“And what is in your right hand, O Moses. And Moses replied “your balls” ” –Al XX

Moses said: “O Aron! What prevented you when you saw them going astray” He said: “O brother! Forgive me. It’s the belly-dance”” – Al XXX

“O my son! If it be (anything) equal to the weight of a grain of mustard seed, and though it be in a rock, Allah will bring it forth. Verily, Allah has a drilling machine.” –Al wondera

“Verily, those who annoy His Messenger by asking him how come he has married 13 times, which is an unlucky number, Allah has cursed them in this world, and in the Hereafter” – Bani Troubla

“Glorified is your Lord, the Lord of Honor and Power! Though he’s forgotten arrogance is evil” – Al Lapse of Reasona

“Verily, it (Hell) throws sparks (huge) as Al-Qasr. If you hath that technology in Bangladesh, you wouldn’t have to suffer from load-shedding. Your all-mighty is ever so prudent.” – Al Sparka

“Verily, those who believe and do righteous deeds, for them there will be Gardens under which rivers flow. But there would arise political conflict with neighboring Gardens, who would stop the flow.” -Ah-ha

“Read! In the Name of your Lord Who has created all that exists. Bismillahi Rahmanir Rahim – Satan is Great.” –Al-Iblisun

“They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Hur with wide lovely eyes. What? Naomi Campbell? No no. Shut up” – Al-no-fashion-modela

“On the Day(of Judgement) when the heaven will shake with a dreadful shaking, you wouldn’t have to shake your orange juice to evenly distribute the peels.” –Al Utility-ta

"And if ye are in doubt as to what We have compiled from time to time to Our
servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto (mukto-mona Quran-Bible-Gita); and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts)
are true.
But if ye cannot - and of a surety ye cannot - then fear the Fire whose fuel
is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith (in
non-existance of god)."

Allah's Mighty Throne
In the Seventh Heaven, of course!

Does Allah have an executive office (Arsh’ or Throne)? Does Allah have a desk, chair, and a diary – a super-duper one -- to manage His affairs of heaven and earth? Where is His Throne? How does it look like? Does Allah have secretaries and personal assistants? Have Allah hands, feet, and eyes? Does Allah have telephones, fax machines, PCs, PDAs, the Internet, and all other office equipment that are used by every executive in a modern office? Nay, He does not need them because there are no earthlings who know how to fix them because Murphy’s Law is supposed to work everywhere and yes that includes Allah’s Arsh’ too!

All those questions are silly and blasphemous no doubt, aren’t they? A good Muslim should never ask such silly questions. The Holy Quran clearly admonishes asking such questions because these are not permitted (5:101, 102), for the fear that if you ask such silly questions you may end up losing your faith. That is the worst crime a man can commit. Therefore, you had better watch out!

[5:101 O ye who believe! Ask not questions About things which, If made plain to you, May cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things When the Qur’an is being Revealed, they will be Made plain to you, God will forgive those: For God is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing]

A very clever ploy indeed! Fear tactics would work if not for all folks but for many.

[5:102 Some people before you Did ask such questions, And on that account Lost their faith]

Are there any hard references on this? These days, even a court in Timbuktu will not entertain any quotation, hearsay, etc., without hard evidence. Therefore, such vague reference about “Some people before you Did ask such questions…” won’t fly anywhere except in the realm of Blind Faith.

Many Islamic scholars, Maulanas, Mullahs will simply scoff at you if you put such questions to them. Many Tafsirs (explanations) of the Holy Qur’an try to avoid those questions by simply saying that the verses containing mentions of Allah's throne are actually allegorical, mystic, figurative, symbolic, sublime, parables...blah, blah, blah… anything that gives you the impression that Allah's throne is not for real but ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ an imaginary concept of the authority of Allah over all affairs of His creation. They will vehemently oppose any such idea that Allah really has a physical existence and that His executive office (Throne) is a real physical entity which actually exists somewhere in the heaven.

Are those explanations by the Mullahs correct? To find the truth, we just need to look at the Qur’an and the Hadith in detail and see for ourselves how these Mullahs mislead the people to believe in their interpretations. Let us tour the Qur’an and the Sahih Bukhari to see for ourselves how does the executive office or Arsh’ of Allah look like.

The Qur’an

Allah really has a physical office. His office is huge and He does work 24/7/365 and He never gets tired He has a huge desk that extends over the heavens.

[al-Baqarah 2:255] God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

Allah raised heaven without pillars, established His throne and He manages all affairs from this office. He also has communication tools (like fax, telephone Internet, satellite.......?) to send and to explain His messages.

[ar-Ra`d 13:2] God is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.

Allah's office has tight security. He can see everything on earth from His office. He is firmly established on the throne.

[al-Furqan 25:59] He Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between, in six days, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority): God Most Gracious: ask thou, then, about Him of any acquainted (with such things).

[as-Sajdah 32:4] It is God Who has created the heavens and the earth, and all between them, in six Days, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority): ye have none, besides Him, to protect or intercede (for you): will ye not then receive admonition?

[al-Hadid 57:4] He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And God sees well all that ye do.

Allah has a throne high above all ranks

[al-Mu'min 40:15] Raised high above ranks (or degrees), (He is) the Lord of the Throne (of Authority): by His Command doth He send the Spirit (of inspiration) to any of His servants he pleases, that it may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting,-

Is Allah's throne Octagonal in shape/does Allah has eight personal secretaries?

[al-Haqqah 69:17] And the angels will be on its sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the Throne of thy Lord above them.

Sahih Bukhari

Allah's throne has legs and sides. Moses will be holding the side and a leg of Allah's throne. You don't believe? See for yourself this Hadith!

Volume 3, Book 41, Number 594:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Two persons, a Muslim and a Jew, quarrelled. The Muslim said, "By Him Who gave Muhammad superiority over all the people! The Jew said, "By Him Who gave Moses superiority over all the people!" At that the Muslim raised his hand and slapped the Jew on the face. The Jew went to the Prophet and informed him of what had happened between him and the Muslim. The Prophet sent for the Muslim and asked him about it. The Muslim informed him of the event. The Prophet said, "Do not give me superiority over Moses, for on the Day of Resurrection all the people will fall unconscious and I will be one of them, but I will. be the first to gain consciousness, and will see Moses standing and holding the side of the Throne (of Allah). I will not know whether (Moses) has also fallen unconscious and got up before me, or Allah has exempted him from that stroke."

Where is the exact location of Allah's throne? This question is also answered in Sahih Bukhari. Allah's throne is above Al-firdaus (the highest of heavens) and Allah's throne is the origin of the river of paradise.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 48:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Whoever believes in Allah and His Apostle, offer prayer perfectly and fasts the month of Ramadan, will rightfully be granted Paradise by Allah, no matter whether he fights in Allah's Cause or remains in the land where he is born." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle ! Shall we acquaint the people with this good news?" He said, "Paradise has one-hundred grades which Allah has reserved for the Mujahidin who fight in His Cause, and the distance between each of two grades is like the distance between the Heaven and the Earth. So, when you ask Allah (for something), ask for Al-firdaus which is the best and highest part of Paradise." (i.e. The sub-narrator added, "I think the Prophet also said, 'Above it (i.e. Al-Firdaus) is the Throne of Beneficent (i.e. Allah), and from it originate the rivers of Paradise.")

Since the river of paradise originates from Allah's throne, so logically, Allah's throne is over the water (something like a floating water lotus we see in some idols in Hindu scriptures). Allah even has an official diary where He keeps records of His creations.

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 414:

Narrated Imran bin Husain:

I went to the Prophet and tied my she-camel at the gate. The people of Bani Tamim came to the Prophet who said "O Bani Tamim! Accept the good tidings." They said twice, 'You have given us the good tidings, now give us something" Then some Yemenites came to him and he said, "Accept the good tidings, O people of Yemem, for Bani Tamim refused them." They said, "We accept it, O Allah's Apostle! We have come to ask you about this matter (i.e. the start of creations)." He said, "First of all, there was nothing but Allah, and (then He created His Throne). His throne was over the water, and He wrote everything in the Book (in the Heaven) and created the Heavens and the Earth." Then a man shouted, "O Ibn Husain! Your she-camel has gone away!" So, I went away and could not see the she-camel because of the mirage. By Allah, I wished I had left that she-camel (but not that gathering).

Narrated 'Umar: One day the Prophet stood up amongst us for a long period and informed us about the beginning of creation (and talked about everything in detail) till he mentioned how the people of Paradise will enter their places and the people of Hell will enter their places. Some remembered what he had said, and some forgot it.

The title of Allah's diary is "My mercy overpowers My Anger". Allah keeps His diary on His throne (Arsh’).

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 501:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "When Allah created the Creation, He wrote in His Book--and He wrote (that) about Himself, and it is placed with Him on the Throne--'Verily My Mercy overcomes My Anger.'"

Allah has two hands. Both of His hands are busy. Unbelievable, you say. See this Hadith.

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 515:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "The Right (Hand) of Allah Is full, and (Its fullness) is not affected by the continuous spending night and day. Do you see what He has spent since He created the Heavens and the Earth? Yet all that has not decreased what is in His Right Hand. His Throne is over the water and in His other Hand is the Bounty or the Power to bring about death, and He raises some people and brings others down." (See Hadith No. 508)

The sun prostrates and takes a rest underneath the throne of Allah (that is, under water) and waits for the green signal from Allah to go back to work again. One day this green signal may not be given.

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:

Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38)

Nowhere in the Qur’an and Sahih Bukhari Allah says that the concept of His throne is ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ conceptual (mystical, spiritual, figurative. .... etc.) and not literal. All the above quoted verses and the Ahadith clearly demonstrates that the concept of Allah's throne is real and Allah does have a physical office no matter how much absurd we may think. The merciful Prophet had to give his original handful illiterate converts a vivid picture of Allah and His managerial office. The unlettered and uneducated Bedouins could never understand Mohammed's view of Allah if he did not give them a mental picture of his God (Allah) which somehow or other may resemble some form of deity that were prevalent during those days. Read those verses and the Ahadith again and what picture do you get of Allah? Do you remember any of the pictures of gods and goddesses that you saw in Hindu/other religious scriptures? Do you recall the picture of a woman with a sword in one hand and a balance in the other? Yes, that is it. Mohammad borrowed these pictures from the Greek pantheons and possibly, from Hindu scriptures so that his early converts could have an easy mental glimpse of his Allah. This was the ************SPAM/BANNEAR************ way he could attract converts. The idea of a shapeless, formless, omniscient, all-powerful mighty Allah was too difficult for the uncultured Arab Bedouins to understand during merciful Prophet's time.

Is Allah reading this essay? Which Dojok (Hell) will be reserved for this scribe? Got any clues?

A cautionary note.

The readers should note that the explanations given inside the brackets (.......) in the translation of the Quran and the Sahih Bukhari are the opinions of the translators. There is no such parenthesis in the original Holy Scriptures. You must take those explanations with many grains of salt. Most of the time they twist the original message to suit the agenda of the translator. You really do not need to be a Nuclear Physicist or a rocket scientist to understand the Qur’an and Hadith. Most of the meanings are quite straightforward. :evil:

Dos cosas:

1-La verdad es que si este es un foro en castellano sería bueno que usted escriba en este idioma o si va a escribir en inglés utilice el espacio correspondiente (la verdad me da pereza leer en inglés).
2-Si va a hacer referencia de una religión hágalo desde un punto de vista más objetivo y no tan sugestivo como que el “diablo” está contento con el Islam.

No tengo nada que defenderle a ninguna religión, pero creo que usted juzga muy pronto al Islam sin sacar de lado su hígado… Ahora bien, sobre el cometer pecados, queda claro que yo no estoy de acuerdo en religiones o grupos de personas que para imponer su religión, maten, violen, mutilen, etc. Llámese como se llame esa religión ya que ningún pensamiento humano puede estar por encima del valor de una vida humana…

Bueno yo no defiendo las creencias de los musulmanes.....pero no se puede generalizar

Digamos....hay musulman tranquilo y los extremistas.....no se pueden comparar igual

BILL1283 dijo:

Bueno yo no defiendo las creencias de los musulmanes.....pero no se puede generalizar

Digamos....hay musulman tranquilo y los extremistas.....no se pueden comparar igual

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Es correcto, a algunos les gusta acusar el extremismo islámico, pero lo hacen de forma extremista también... Siempre el extremismo por eso ni muy muy ni tan tan...

Barak dijo:

Es correcto, a algunos les gusta acusar el extremismo islámico, pero lo hacen de forma extremista también... Siempre el extremismo por eso ni muy muy ni tan tan...

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Ahora.....
Que es lo que da pie a estos extremistas, porque ellos se basan en el coran para ciertos actos....
Conocidicimo es que no hay tregua con los judios.....y a los que son amigos de los judios.....
independiente sea extremistas o concervadores.....

BILL1283 dijo:

Ahora.....
Que es lo que da pie a estos extremistas, porque ellos se basan en el coran para ciertos actos....

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Los extremistas religiosos siempre se basan en su libro sagrado para justificar sus actos... sean musulmanes, cristianos, católicos, hindúes, etc.

Cesar dijo:

BILL1283 dijo:

Ahora.....
Que es lo que da pie a estos extremistas, porque ellos se basan en el coran para ciertos actos....

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Los extremistas religiosos siempre se basan en su libro sagrado para justificar sus actos... sean musulmanes, cristianos, católicos, hindúes, etc.

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En que parte de la biblia se baso la "santa inquisicion" para atribuirse las muertes de las brujas?
O en que se baso biblicamente el papado para justificar biblicamente las cruzadas?
Ahora el Cristianismo que moviemiento extremista u organizacion terrorista tiene hoy en dia?

BILL1283 dijo:

En que parte de la biblia se baso la "santa inquisicion" para atribuirse las muertes de las brujas?
O en que se baso biblicamente el papado para justificar biblicamente las cruzadas?
Ahora el Cristianismo que moviemiento extremista u organizacion terrorista tiene hoy en dia?

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Exd 22:18, "A la hechicera no dejarás que viva."

Yo no estoy diciendo que en el cristianismo exista algún grupo terrorista, mae; pero la justificación de actos inhumanos se ha dado en todo lado. En cualquier religión se ha dado este tipo de cosas.